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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Policy on 3rd party code
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To: Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com>
From: mike@newclarity.net (Mike Schinkel)



> On Oct 7, 2024, at 1:39 AM, Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com> =
wrote:
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> On Sun, Oct 6, 2024, at 2:33 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
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>>> On Oct 5, 2024, at 10:25 PM, Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com> =
wrote:
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>>> A number of people are concerned that if we use any of the "Big =
Names", it would be interpreted as an endorsement of that project.  Eg, =
if we rebuilt the main website using Laravel, the Symfony folks would =
feel slighted.  If we used Symfony, the Laravel folks would get rather =
cross.  If we used Yii, the Slim folks would get upset.  If we used =
Drupal, we'd get constant "well why not Wordpress?" questions.  Etc.
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>> OR, we could change the current model and consider and another =
approach.
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>> Instead of maintaining a website based on 1980s[1] technology which =
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>> give newer developers who are interested in modern developer tools =
the=20
>> opinion that PHP is not for them, PHP could move to a model for its=20=

>> website where it embraces "Big names" and does so on merit.
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> *snip*
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> While I am sympathetic to the idea of "if you want professional work =
done, just hire a professional," that is also vastly off topic for what =
we're discussing right now. =20

It is not off-topic, because it directly addresses the concern of =
mentioning or not mentioning web frameworks and not using them for =
internal use.

> The scope at the moment is much more "can we *please* tell people to =
use Composer?  Can we *please* use PHPUnit for writing PhD and not feel =
guilty about it?"  It's much more pedestrian and practical for the time =
being.

However, yes, this point is completely valid, and can and should happen =
sooner and with or without what I suggested.

-Mike=