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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Policy on 3rd party code
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From: larry@garfieldtech.com ("Larry Garfield")

On Sun, Oct 6, 2024, at 2:33 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote:

>> On Oct 5, 2024, at 10:25 PM, Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com> wrote:
>> 
>> A number of people are concerned that if we use any of the "Big Names", it would be interpreted as an endorsement of that project.  Eg, if we rebuilt the main website using Laravel, the Symfony folks would feel slighted.  If we used Symfony, the Laravel folks would get rather cross.  If we used Yii, the Slim folks would get upset.  If we used Drupal, we'd get constant "well why not Wordpress?" questions.  Etc.
>
> OR, we could change the current model and consider and another approach.
>
> Instead of maintaining a website based on 1980s[1] technology which can 
> give newer developers who are interested in modern developer tools the 
> opinion that PHP is not for them, PHP could move to a model for its 
> website where it embraces "Big names" and does so on merit.

*snip*

While I am sympathetic to the idea of "if you want professional work done, just hire a professional," that is also vastly off topic for what we're discussing right now.  The scope at the moment is much more "can we *please* tell people to use Composer?  Can we *please* use PHPUnit for writing PhD and not feel guilty about it?"  It's much more pedestrian and practical for the time being.

--Larry Garfield