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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2024 19:22:49 +0300
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] No more RFC implementations during beta phase
To: "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@gmx.de>
Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Tim_D=C3=BCsterhus?= <tim@bastelstu.be>, internals@lists.php.net
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From: arvids.godjuks@gmail.com (Arvids Godjuks)

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On Thu, 26 Sept 2024 at 16:20, Christoph M. Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de>
wrote:

> On 26.09.2024 at 14:23, Tim D=C3=BCsterhus wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> Christoph
>

Hello everyone!

I agree with the general sentiment that alpha/beta/rc should be followed in
their canonical form:
- Alpha - API/ABI gets broken, new stuff gets introduced, big
implementations happen
- Beta - new big additions are not allowed any more and introduced feature
stabilisation and bugfixing occurs (this is where you polish
implementations) and general feature freeze goes into effect
- RC - final testing, bugfixing and eventually release.

But I think the struggle we have with RFC's coming late and being a time
crunch is the timing of the release - November. The big problem is that the
vast majority of development and voting and RFC ironing out happens during
summer when a lot of people are on vacations, travel and in general are not
here. So come September/October - all hell breaks loose. And that happens
every single year.

So while clarifying the alpha/beta/rc should be done, I think we should
move the general minor/major version releases to sometime in February/March
to give solid 6 months to work through things and give people ability to
start RFC's and finish them while they are not under the pressure of summer
vacations/travel/etc.


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Arv=C4=ABds Godjuks
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, 26 Sept 2024 at 16:20, Christ=
oph M. Becker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cmbecker69@gmx.de">cmbecker69@gmx.de</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On =
26.09.2024 at 14:23, Tim D=C3=BCsterhus wrote:<br>
<br>&lt;snip&gt;<br>
<br>
Christoph<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div>Hello everyone!</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>I agree with the general sentiment that alpha/beta/rc should be fol=
lowed in their canonical form:</div><div>- Alpha - API/ABI gets broken, new=
 stuff gets introduced, big implementations happen</div><div>- Beta - new b=
ig additions are not allowed any more and introduced feature stabilisation =
and bugfixing occurs (this is where you polish implementations) and general=
 feature freeze goes into effect</div><div>- RC - final testing, bugfixing =
and eventually release.</div><div><br></div><div>But I think the struggle w=
e have with RFC&#39;s coming=C2=A0late and being a time crunch is the timin=
g of the release - November. The big problem is that the vast majority of d=
evelopment and voting and RFC ironing out happens during summer when a lot =
of people=C2=A0are on vacations, travel and in general are not here. So com=
e September/October - all hell breaks loose. And that happens every single =
year.</div><div><br></div><div>So while clarifying the alpha/beta/rc should=
 be done, I think we should move the general minor/major version releases t=
o sometime in February/March to give solid 6 months to work through things =
and give people ability to start RFC&#39;s and finish them while they are n=
ot under the pressure of summer vacations/travel/etc.</div><div><br></div><=
div><br></div><span class=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div>Arv=C4=
=ABds Godjuks<div>+371 26 851 664</div><div><a href=3D"mailto:arvids.godjuk=
s@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">arvids.godjuks@gmail.com</a></div><div>Teleg=
ram: @psihius=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://t.me/psihius" target=3D"_blank">https=
://t.me/psihius</a></div></div></div></div>

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