Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:125687 X-Original-To: internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: internals@lists.php.net Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (php-smtp4.php.net [45.112.84.5]) by qa.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 241F11A00BD for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2024 12:24:01 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=php.net; s=mail; t=1727353570; bh=C2vOpmZAE6ukUiqVViofafn38fvCumoT7wrDx92aNVI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=YrTitFSU0KCndN/gAW4LsjUfjdWhG04Yqmbq8+MkuXlLyN/1WXQh4XiZlpjg2mgjN 4f5CfOFBGXrz3kyoY5cRVLwZE6iY4XMEQoKpnNLpRNnKwljZn+WZ+4X8W7D0bmaoD3 9+QyA1zErGTdZHgUtXHDm8H5oiLbBjBjiqGopt9usFtpME5YyKuaIMwP/WqJDhGuZT QamVuIzo5h29jZyiKLp/i19VPbXhuj6N0yqZfbGshU+OeHg56ir+j7dMwzpIon5ET2 g0i/W342tNM9QuQjhhEOSUFeO/lEKK34yoGrXrsoy+WodDBrbm/eZ8HjPa+g4v3NWY AKlfoIZGjpr3g== Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F0518006F for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2024 12:26:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,DMARC_PASS,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from chrono.xqk7.com (chrono.xqk7.com [176.9.45.72]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2024 12:26:09 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bastelstu.be; s=mail20171119; t=1727353438; bh=a8s3oR0A+BWst0k8HPeQtn61Tl2MlxQYyYLbt51q9/U=; h=MIME-Version:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References: Message-ID:Content-Type:from:to:cc:subject:message-id; b=d7ZjmCasTZ4hix/AREn9QbVyhvuA4pFVFw/YiVp+5S5Cb4e8c2gmhTRblVy/C3rFY 5gS8bALUeXiX/zXNG3Vu9klUN6L1b5Lg5A0A+WpoiYsavB0p4tb+g27l/A0HDQqYW7 qzZ3sHbHBgFbtALBJyb+EyHcr/inMUZOYrYwBwuKFkSodTtTUQOXSgEu0psHH9fItE dtAxWw7gx4jNH4nmHYeFV/xW/1dXbCGtr1LdraIGWlbKMoI1tsnv+u5J6EHbcq+7a8 PEp6kGj3vyPI6aiZyoi3OKc7kk4eZp1TGIdj1FM/I2ZuGRJ8QK9Dpnb4bJ8LeAueaq +BUPF77qcfi1Q== Precedence: bulk list-help: list-post: List-Id: internals.lists.php.net x-ms-reactions: disallow MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 14:23:58 +0200 To: "Christoph M. Becker" Cc: internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] No more RFC implementations during beta phase In-Reply-To: <16d24095-564a-41f1-bf7f-cee9466f76ea@gmx.de> References: <16d24095-564a-41f1-bf7f-cee9466f76ea@gmx.de> Message-ID: <00895e0eb252394d9d18c2dbaad4dd37@bastelstu.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: tim@bastelstu.be (=?UTF-8?Q?Tim_D=C3=BCsterhus?=) Hi Am 2024-09-24 17:14, schrieb Christoph M. Becker: > I want to suggest that we do not allow any RFC implementations to land > during beta phase. In my opinion, the remaining time to thoroughly > check and address possibly overlooked issues is way too short > otherwise. > FWIW, there was a recent RFC to clarify what is acceptable in which phase of the release process. Given that you did not vote there, I believe you might have missed it: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/release_cycle_update While I agree with Bob that by disallowing the RFC implementation during the Betas would make Betas and RCs effectively identical. Nevertheless I would like to see RFCs with a large impact voted on (and implemented) *well before* the feature freeze, as the recent history required following up with another RFC multiple times (e.g. Random Extension in 8.2, BCMath objects in 8.4, Property Hooks in 8.4). Asymmetric visibility being voted on shortly before the freeze made me a little uneasy for that reason. Best regards Tim Düsterhus