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To: Mike Schinkel <mike@newclarity.net>,
 Arvids Godjuks <arvids.godjuks@gmail.com>,
 Niels Dossche <dossche.niels@gmail.com>,
 Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com>,
 "Rowan Tommins [IMSoP]" <imsop.php@rwec.co.uk>,
 Hammed Ajao <hamiegold@gmail.com>
Cc: Dennis Snell <dennis.snell@automattic.com>,
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From: cmbecker69@gmx.de ("Christoph M. Becker")

On 23.09.2024 at 08:14, Mike Schinkel wrote:

> However, my guess is that Automattic (spelled correctly) is not likely
> to do that given how dismissive PHP Internals and by extension the PHP
> Foundation has been regarding the needs of WordPress users for as long
> as you Arvids have been doing PHP.
>
> But who knows, maybe there could be a d=C3=A9tente?  Who on this list wo=
uld
> be more open than in the past to treat concerns of WordPress users as
> legitimate rather than dismiss them because (I am paraphrasing) "how bad
>  their code is?"

It would be ridiculous to dismiss any software written in PHP for having
bad code, given the relatively huge amount of really bad PHP code we
still have (e.g. web-pecl).  And I hope that we are  not (and have not
been) generally dismissive of any PHP project whatsoever.

However, we cannot please everybody.  Bundling an extension increases
the maintenance burden for the relatively few php-src developers; making
an extension mandatory, or integrating something into the core, even
more so, since we may need to also bundle and maintain external
libraries (see e.g. ext/pcre).  This doesn't mean that it can't happen,
but obviously this requires the RFC process.

Regarding <https://github.com/wasmerio/wasmer-php> which has mentioned a
couple of times in this thread, I'm afraid the project has been
abandoned.  See e.g.
<https://github.com/wasmerio/wasmer-php/issues/147>.  But maybe someone
replies to <https://github.com/wasmerio/wasmer-php/issues/151>. :)

Christoph