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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8.4 / Status of "Saner Increment/Decrement
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On 20-9-2024 13:59, Gina P. Banyard wrote:
> On Tuesday, 17 September 2024 at 19:04, Juliette Reinders Folmer 
> <php-internals_nospam@adviesenzo.nl> wrote:
>> L.s.,
>>
>> I was just looking at the "Path to Saner Increment/Decrement 
>> operators" RFC [1] and as part of the proposal, step 2 "Deprecate 
>> using the increment operator with non-numeric strings." should have 
>> gone into PHP 8.4, but I can't find anything about this deprecation 
>> having been added in PHP 8.4 in the UPGRADING docs.
>>
>> Anyone around who can tell me what the status is ?
>>
>> Smile,
>> Juliette
>>
>>
>> 1: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/saner-inc-dec-operators 
>
> As Christoph has already said, the RFC indicated PHP 8.X where X is 
> greater than 3.
> So no it did not need to land in 8.4.
>
> Considering that I personally find it unlikely that the next version 
> is going to be 9.0 (now I may be wrong but we don't really have any 
> strong indications for doing this bump) and people were already 
> uncomfortable at the timeline I proposed when the RFC got voted;
> I found it better to let another deprecation free version for people 
> to move to str_increment().
>
> I did not forget about this and had it on the planned list of things 
> to tackle for PHP 8.5.
>
Thanks for clarifying and confirming Gina. Makes sense to me. Just 
wanted to be sure.

Smile,
Juliette

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20-9-2024 13:59, Gina P. Banyard
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:ioTg5kfTAmfFjEq40bff7IneNTFs_bntdQ2Q3u2Z7eQUrwKQfepV45t7oKiGgtvO_q0OZTs-hzkt4199HMi5_xUHjJc0lp3HWUPLitEmmw4=@gpb.moe">
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      <div class="protonmail_quote">On Tuesday, 17 September 2024 at
        19:04, Juliette Reinders Folmer
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:php-internals_nospam@adviesenzo.nl">&lt;php-internals_nospam@adviesenzo.nl&gt;</a> wrote:<br>
        <blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"> <font
            size="-1"><font face="Verdana">L.s.,<br>
              <br>
              I was just looking at the "Path to Saner
              Increment/Decrement operators" RFC [1] and as part of the
              proposal, step 2 "</font></font><font size="-1"><font
              face="Verdana">Deprecate using the increment operator with
              non-numeric strings." should have gone into PHP 8.4, but I
              can't find anything about this deprecation having been
              added in PHP 8.4 in the UPGRADING docs.<br>
              <br>
              Anyone around who can tell me what the status is ?<br>
              <br>
              Smile,<br>
              Juliette<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              1: <a
                href="https://wiki.php.net/rfc/saner-inc-dec-operators"
                class="moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank"
                rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"
                moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.php.net/rfc/saner-inc-dec-operators</a></font></font>
        </blockquote>
      </div>
      <div class="protonmail_quote"
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br>
      </div>
      <div class="protonmail_quote"
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">As
        Christoph has already said, the RFC indicated PHP 8.X where X is
        greater than 3.</div>
      <div class="protonmail_quote"
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">So
        no it did not need to land in 8.4.</div>
      <div class="protonmail_quote"
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br>
      </div>
      <div class="protonmail_quote"
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Considering
        that I personally find it unlikely that the next version is
        going to be 9.0 (now I may be wrong but we don't really have any
        strong indications for doing this bump) and people were already
        uncomfortable at the timeline I proposed when the RFC got voted;</div>
      <div class="protonmail_quote"
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I
        found it better to let another deprecation free version for
        people to move to str_increment().</div>
      <div class="protonmail_quote"
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br>
      </div>
      <div class="protonmail_quote"
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I
        did not forget about this and had it on the planned list of
        things to tackle for PHP 8.5.<br>
      </div>
      <div class="protonmail_quote"
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span></span>
        <div><br>
        </div>
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    </blockquote>
    <p>Thanks for clarifying and confirming Gina. Makes sense to me.
      Just wanted to be sure.</p>
    <p>Smile,<br>
      Juliette<br>
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