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([2a01:4b00:bf09:5101:493f:458f:8145:4167]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id ffacd0b85a97d-3730813cdcfsm9363860f8f.29.2024.08.25.15.42.20 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 25 Aug 2024 15:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------UNKl5SKjWNrWN4XlBhhU48Uk" Message-ID: <792a811e-edf8-4a82-8422-e11cc302a6db@scriptfusion.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2024 23:42:20 +0100 Precedence: bulk list-help: list-post: List-Id: internals.lists.php.net x-ms-reactions: disallow MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Default expression To: internals@lists.php.net References: <0c8ed5d6-5507-4c41-8d7f-05d14ba8aa4c@scriptfusion.com> <0cfd3a28-3cb0-4478-85fb-cf086d8e5c66@app.fastmail.com> <3e0d031e-256f-47cd-9a2b-dcdc760f5498@scriptfusion.com> <6afeb23a-867f-457d-9b13-fdf5af02c31e@scriptfusion.com> <928d6c8c-c969-4d55-82ff-5da8fc3d3035@scriptfusion.com> Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: From: bilge@scriptfusion.com (Bilge) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------UNKl5SKjWNrWN4XlBhhU48Uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 25/08/2024 23:31, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] wrote: > It doesn't, unfortunately, persuade me that the behaviour proposed is sensible. It should. But since it has apparently failed in that regard, I suggest you take me up on my challenge to implement the grammar you want with a patch and you will quickly convince yourself one way or the other. The truth doesn't exist in my head or yours, nor on this mailing list. The truth always lies in the code, which is why RFC authors are strongly encouraged to pursue patches where there is doubt, and similarly, I think counter-proposals on the mailing list should follow suit, otherwise we can find ourselves arguing over nothing. Kind regards, Bilge --------------UNKl5SKjWNrWN4XlBhhU48Uk Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 25/08/2024 23:31, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] wrote:
It doesn't, unfortunately, persuade me that the behaviour proposed is sensible.

It should. But since it has apparently failed in that regard, I suggest you take me up on my challenge to implement the grammar you want with a patch and you will quickly convince yourself one way or the other. The truth doesn't exist in my head or yours, nor on this mailing list. The truth always lies in the code, which is why RFC authors are strongly encouraged to pursue patches where there is doubt, and similarly, I think counter-proposals on the mailing list should follow suit, otherwise we can find ourselves arguing over nothing.

Kind regards, Bilge

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