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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Decoding HTML and the Ambiguous Ampersand
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2024 16:56:06 -0500
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From: dennis.snell@automattic.com (Dennis Snell)


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> On Aug 25, 2024, at 4:17=E2=80=AFPM, M=C3=A1t=C3=A9 Kocsis =
<kocsismate90@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Christoph, Dennis,
>=20
>> Well, I don't think it would be a big deal to move the bundled lexbor =
to
>> somewhere where it is always available.  I mean, so far it's only =
used
>> by ext/dom so it's bundled there, but if other parts of the php-src =
code
>> base would use it, we could put it elsewhere.
>=20
> Exactly. You might be aware that I'm working on an "uri" extension =
(https://externals.io/message/123997)

Yes, and I only briefly saw that before, but I=E2=80=99m excited, =
because I=E2=80=99ve wanted very much to be able to properly parse URLs =
within PHP. Myself, I was also interested in seeing if we could get Ada =
into the language.

As with HTML parsing, I see much value in having additional interfaces =
that aren=E2=80=99t a DOM interface but which are designed for specific =
software purposes.

> and it also needs some parts of lexbor. My implementation currently =
depends on ext/dom
> for simplicity's sake, however if the vote once passes, this temporary =
solution has to be changed.
> Therefore we previously agreed with Niels that we would make lexbor an =
"internal extension" (similar to mysqlnd), or
> at least we would somehow find a way for it to be always available, =
just like how Christoph said.

With all the improvements going around PHP these days, I find it =
extremely important to finally be able to reliably and safety understand =
some of the most basic content that we produce and parse: HTML and URLs.

Although the user-space libraries are of varying completion and quality, =
all of them suffer from the fact that it=E2=80=99s so challenging to =
efficiently parse most content using PHP. Getting these things baked =
into the language of the web will bring a potent uplift to the entire =
ecosystem, both because there will be less corruption, but also because =
performance won=E2=80=99t suffer in getting there.

>=20
> Regards,
> M=C3=A1t=C3=A9
>=20


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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: =
after-white-space;"><br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Aug 25, =
2024, at 4:17=E2=80=AFPM, M=C3=A1t=C3=A9 Kocsis =
&lt;kocsismate90@gmail.com&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"color:rgb(191,191,191)">Hi =
Christoph, Dennis,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
style=3D"color:rgb(191,191,191)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"color:rgb(191,191,191)"><span class=3D"gmail-im" =
style=3D"color:rgb(230,153,230)"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(77,77,77);padding-left:1ex">Well, I don't think it would be a big =
deal to move the bundled lexbor to<br>somewhere where it is always =
available.&nbsp; I mean, so far it's only used<br>by ext/dom so it's =
bundled there, but if other parts of the php-src code<br>base would use =
it, we could put it =
elsewhere.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Exactly. You might =
be aware that I'm working on an "uri" extension (<a =
href=3D"https://externals.io/message/123997" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color:rgb(153,181,230)">https://externals.io/message/123997</a>)<=
/div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, and I =
only briefly saw that before, but I=E2=80=99m excited, because I=E2=80=99v=
e wanted very much to be able to properly parse URLs within PHP. Myself, =
I was also interested in seeing if we could get Ada into the =
language.</div><div><br></div><div>As with HTML parsing, I see much =
value in having additional interfaces that <i>aren=E2=80=99t</i>&nbsp;a =
DOM interface but which are designed for specific software =
purposes.</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"color:rgb(191,191,191)"><div>and it also needs some parts of =
lexbor. My implementation currently depends on ext/dom</div><div>for =
simplicity's sake, however if the vote once passes, this temporary =
solution has to be changed.</div><div>Therefore we previously agreed =
with Niels that we would make lexbor an "internal extension" (similar to =
mysqlnd), or</div><div>at least we would somehow find a way for it to be =
always available, just like how Christoph =
said.</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>With =
all the improvements going around PHP these days, I find it extremely =
important to finally be able to reliably and safety understand some of =
the most basic content that we produce and parse: HTML and =
URLs.</div><div><br></div><div>Although the user-space libraries are of =
varying completion and quality, all of them suffer from the fact that =
it=E2=80=99s so challenging to efficiently parse most content using PHP. =
Getting these things baked into the language of the web will bring a =
potent uplift to the entire ecosystem, both because there will be less =
corruption, but also because performance won=E2=80=99t suffer in getting =
there.</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"color:rgb(191,191,191)"><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>M=C3=
=A1t=C3=A9</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>
</div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>=

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