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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [DISCUSSION] C++ Enhancements in Zend API
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From: john@coggeshall.org (John Coggeshall)

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On Aug 14 2024, at 5:27 pm, Lanre <lnearwaju=40gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Can you point out where either of us suggested writing PHP in another l=
anguage=3F You might be mixing this up with the C11 thread, which has not=
hing to do with this. All I'm proposing is improving the current C++ supp=
ort in the engine. https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/Zend/zend=5F=
portability.h already guarantees compatibility with c++ thanks to the BEG=
IN=5FEXTERN=5FC() and END=5FEXTERN=5FC() macros defined right at the top =
and that are used all around the engine. Notice how that macro compiles t=
o nothing when C++ isn't being used=3F I'm simply proposing more of those=
.

You aren't simply =22proposing more of those =5Bmacros=5D=22. Per your or=
iginal email:
Key points:
- **Struct-based Approach:** Everything will still use structs=E2=80=94no=
 classes or non-public/non-static members.
- **Isolation:** Any enhancements that can be isolated from the C impleme=
ntation will be, and they will reside in a common =60zend=5Fapi=5Fcxx=60 =
header file.
- **Proposed Enhancements:**
- Constructors and destructors, along with comparison operator overloads =
for =60zval=60.
- Constructor overloads for common =60zval=60 initializations.
- Member methods for common =60zval=60 operations.

You have been asked three times now by two different people to put togeth=
er an R=46C of exactly what you are proposing. You have also been asked b=
y multiple people multiple times to stop hurling insults at people you di=
sagree with. If you can't or won't do these things, then I don't see the =
point in continuing this thread.


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<br><br><div class=3D=22gmail=5Fquote=5Fattribution=22>On Aug 14 2024, at=
 5:27 pm, Lanre &lt;lnearwaju=40gmail.com&gt; wrote:</div><blockquote><di=
v><div><br></div><div class=3D=22gmail=5Fquote=22><div>Can you point out =
where either of us suggested writing PHP in another language=3F You might=
 be mixing this up with the C11 thread, which has nothing to do with this=
.&nbsp; All I'm proposing is improving the current C++ support in the eng=
ine.&nbsp;<a href=3D=22https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/Zend/ze=
nd=5Fportability.h=22 title=3D=22https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/mast=
er/Zend/zend=5Fportability.h=22>https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/maste=
r/Zend/zend=5Fportability.h</a>&nbsp;already guarantees compatibility wit=
h c++ thanks to the&nbsp;BEGIN=5FEXTERN=5FC() and&nbsp;END=5FEXTERN=5FC()=
 macros defined right at the top and that are used all around the engine.=
 Notice how that macro compiles to nothing when C++ isn't being used=3F I=
'm simply proposing more of those.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><di=
v class=3D=22gmail=5Fquote=22><br><div>You aren't simply =22proposing mor=
e of those =5Bmacros=5D=22. Per your original email:</div><br><div>Key po=
ints:</div><div>- **Struct-based Approach:** Everything will still use st=
ructs=E2=80=94no classes or non-public/non-static members.</div><div>- **=
Isolation:** Any enhancements that can be isolated from the C implementat=
ion will be, and they will reside in a common =60zend=5Fapi=5Fcxx=60 head=
er file.</div><div>- **Proposed Enhancements:**&nbsp; </div><div>&nbsp; -=
 Constructors and destructors, along with comparison operator overloads f=
or =60zval=60.</div><div>&nbsp; - Constructor overloads for common =60zva=
l=60 initializations.</div><div>&nbsp; - Member methods for common =60zva=
l=60 operations.</div><br><div>You have been asked three times now by two=
 different people to put together an R=46C of exactly what you are propos=
ing. You have also been asked by multiple people multiple times to stop h=
urling insults at people you disagree with. If you can't or won't do thes=
e things, then I don't see the point in continuing this thread.</div><br>=
<br></div></div>
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