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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:30:54 -0600
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [DISCUSSION] C++ Enhancements in Zend API
To: Mike Schinkel <mike@newclarity.net>
Cc: PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>, Pascal Chevrel <pascalc@gmail.com>, 
	John Coggeshall <john@coggeshall.org>, Levi Morrison <levi.morrison@datadoghq.com>, 
	Arvids Godjuks <arvids.godjuks@gmail.com>
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From: lnearwaju@gmail.com (Lanre)

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> Arvids wrote "I don't think C sees a lot of development any more, so it
> makes sense to move towards C++."


Yeah he wrote that right after "PHP has C as core and has allowed C++ for
extensions. Expanding that support is a no-brainer, especially since modern
C++ has stepped up in major ways". That is also known as context.

I could be wrong as I am not an expert in either C or Zig, but from what I
> understand from others who have adopted Zig for C code bases it would not
> be a huge investment at all. Which is why I proposed it.


Well the source code is right there, go ahead and explore adopting Zig and
feel free to report back with your findings. Until then, I think we should
stick to something that has been battle tested over the past 30 years.

> Again, I will reiterate that these proposed changes will not affect the
> current course of PHP. Development will go on as usual and any bugs
> introduced by this proposal will be contained to C++ extensions interacting
> with the code. C devs can act like this doesn't even exist because as far
> as the C compiler is concerned, it doesn't. On the other hand C++ devs
> won't have to keep reinventing the wheel whenever they have to build an
> extension with C++. What is a php extension if not a wrapper for a C/C++
> lib?
> >
> > IF I wanted PHP to be implemented in C++, I would simply fork it. How
> many thousand RFCs do you think it will take to get anything reasonable
> done? I'm baffled that I actually have to convince y'all to IMPROVE the
> current support for C++, but calm down, no one wants you to quit.
>
> Again, I did not comment on your proposal pro nor con.


Fair enough.


> P.S. BTW, didn't you already say this conversation was a waste of your
> time and imply that you were done with the thread? Then why would I be
> replying to you?
>

Nah, I meant the specific conversation with Pierre Joye, it wasn't going
anywhere. I stand by all my points so why would I just leave because of
some confused folks?

Cheers,
Lanre.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex">Arvids wrote &quot;I don&#39;t think C sees a lot of dev=
elopment any more, so it makes sense to move towards C++.&quot;</blockquote=
><div><br></div><div>Yeah he wrote that right after &quot;PHP has C as core=
 and has allowed C++ for extensions. Expanding that support is a no-brainer=
, especially since modern C++ has stepped up in major ways&quot;. That is a=
lso known as context.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p=
adding-left:1ex">
I could be wrong as I am not an expert in either C or Zig, but from what I =
understand from others who have adopted Zig for C code bases it would not b=
e a huge investment at all. Which is why I proposed it.</blockquote><div><b=
r></div><div>Well the source code is right there, go ahead and explore adop=
ting Zig and feel free to report back with your findings. Until then, I thi=
nk we should stick to something that has been battle tested over the past 3=
0 years.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex">
&gt; Again, I will reiterate that these proposed changes will not affect th=
e current course of PHP. Development will go on as usual and any bugs intro=
duced by this proposal will be contained to C++ extensions interacting with=
 the code. C devs can act like this doesn&#39;t even exist because as far a=
s the C compiler is concerned, it doesn&#39;t. On the other hand C++ devs w=
on&#39;t have to keep reinventing the wheel whenever they have to build an =
extension with C++. What is a php extension if not a wrapper for a C/C++ li=
b?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; IF I wanted PHP to be implemented in C++, I would simply fork it. How =
many thousand RFCs do you think it will take to get anything reasonable don=
e? I&#39;m baffled that I actually have to convince y&#39;all to IMPROVE th=
e current support for C++, but calm down, no one wants you to quit.<br>
<br>
Again, I did not comment on your proposal pro nor con.</blockquote><div><br=
></div><div>Fair enough.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex">
P.S. BTW, didn&#39;t you already say this conversation was a waste of your =
time and imply that you were done with the thread? Then why would I be repl=
ying to you?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Nah, I meant the specific =
conversation with Pierre Joye, it wasn&#39;t going anywhere. I stand by all=
 my points so why would I just leave because of some confused folks?</div><=
div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Lanre.</div><div>=C2=A0</div></div></d=
iv>

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