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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2024 22:03:57 -0600
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [DISCUSSION] C++ Enhancements in Zend API
To: Mike Schinkel <mike@newclarity.net>
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From: lnearwaju@gmail.com (Lanre)

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On Tue, Aug 13, 2024 at 4:28=E2=80=AFPM Mike Schinkel <mike@newclarity.net>=
 wrote:

>
> On Aug 12, 2024 at 4:13 PM, <Lanre <lnearwaju@gmail.com>> wrote:
> You=E2=80=99d have to be seriously naive to believe that =E2=80=9Cthe ent=
ire industry is
> actively trying to move AWAY from C/C++.=E2=80=9D
>
>
> Well, there is this:
>
>
> https://media.defense.gov/2023/Dec/06/2003352724/-1/-1/0/THE-CASE-FOR-MEM=
ORY-SAFE-ROADMAPS-TLP-CLEAR.PDF
>
> -Mike
>

The source mentions Python and Swift as "memory-safe languages," both of
which are implemented in C and C++. How does that work if C and C++ aren't
memory-safe?

Mozilla introduced Rust years ago, yet Firefox remains primarily C++, with
only about 3% of the codebase in Rust. By dismissing C and C++, one
overlooks the fact that they are crucial for powering everyday systems such
as elevators, automotive control units (ECUs, ADAS), medical devices,
consumer electronics, industrial automation, and more.
It IS naive to believe that =E2=80=9Cthe entire industry is actively trying=
 to move
AWAY from C/C++.=E2=80=9D.

Cheers,
Lanre.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 13, 2024 at 4:28=E2=80=AFPM M=
ike Schinkel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mike@newclarity.net" target=3D"_blank">m=
ike@newclarity.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);=
padding-left:1ex"><div><div id=3D"m_8544626738035531737m_169808575605509753=
5edo-message"><div></div></div><div id=3D"m_8544626738035531737m_1698085756=
055097535edo-original"><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"margin:1=
ex 0px 0px;height:min-content;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:0.5ex"><div>On Aug 12, 2024 at 4:13 PM, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lnearw=
aju@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">Lanre</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"text-align:inherit;background-color:inherit">You=
=E2=80=99d have to be seriously naive to believe that =E2=80=9Cthe entire i=
ndustry is actively trying to move AWAY from C/C++.=E2=80=9D</span></div></=
div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>Well, there is this:</div><div><=
br></div><div><a href=3D"https://media.defense.gov/2023/Dec/06/2003352724/-=
1/-1/0/THE-CASE-FOR-MEMORY-SAFE-ROADMAPS-TLP-CLEAR.PDF" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttps://media.defense.gov/2023/Dec/06/2003352724/-1/-1/0/THE-CASE-FOR-MEMORY=
-SAFE-ROADMAPS-TLP-CLEAR.PDF</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>-Mike</div></=
div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><p>The source mentions Python an=
d Swift as &quot;memory-safe languages,&quot; both of which are implemented=
 in C and C++. How does that work if C and C++ aren&#39;t memory-safe?</p><=
p>Mozilla introduced Rust years ago, yet Firefox remains primarily C++, wit=
h only about 3% of the codebase in Rust. By dismissing C and C++, one overl=
ooks the fact that they are crucial for powering everyday systems such as e=
levators, automotive control units (ECUs, ADAS), medical devices, consumer =
electronics, industrial automation, and more.</p></div><div>It IS naive to =
believe that =E2=80=9Cthe entire industry is actively trying to move AWAY f=
rom C/C++.=E2=80=9D.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Lanre.</div=
></div></div>

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