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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [DISCUSSION] C++ Enhancements in Zend API
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From: john@coggeshall.org (John Coggeshall)

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lol. Listen friend, I've been involved in PHP internals on and off for ov=
er 20 years -- and so has Pierre. You'd do well to respond with a little =
more consideration instead of flying off the handle calling us ignorant r=
ust developers lol.

The idea of enhancing support for C++ makes no sense. It's a waste of tim=
e and energy. The entire industry is actively trying to to move AWAY from=
 C/C++ in general, not to mention someone has to maintain it after you ge=
t bored insulting people here and move on. This is doubly true when the b=
enefit is a handful of people who want to might write some extension in C=
++.
On Aug 12 2024, at 2:59 pm, Lanre <lnearwaju=40gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I didn=E2=80=99t realize this was an open mic for Rust devs to flaunt t=
heir ignorance, but since you=E2=80=99ve decided to chime in, let me spel=
l it out for you. Rust has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion,=
 so try to stay on topic. Nowhere did I mention a move to C++; perhaps re=
ading comprehension isn=E2=80=99t your strong suit.
>
> PHP already supports C++ for extensions, as evidenced by the intl exten=
sion. The current support is painfully basic, which forces developers to =
waste time on redundant wrappers or use third-party libraries like PHP-CP=
P. What I=E2=80=99m proposing is a way to improve this support so C++ dev=
s don=E2=80=99t have to keep doing the same menial work over and over aga=
in.
> All of this will be wrapped in macros, so C compilers won=E2=80=99t eve=
n notice the compatibility layer and will compile as usual. It=E2=80=99s =
a simple, elegant solution=E2=80=94something you might not be familiar wi=
th, given your affinity for Rust=E2=80=99s convoluted approach to everyth=
ing.
>
> Cheers,
> Lanre.
>
>


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<div>lol. Listen friend, I've been involved in PHP internals on and off f=
or over 20 years -- and so has Pierre. You'd do well to respond with a li=
ttle more consideration instead of flying off the handle calling us ignor=
ant rust developers lol. </div><br><div>The idea of enhancing support for=
 C++ makes no sense. It's a waste of time and energy. The entire industry=
 is actively trying to to move AWAY from C/C++ in general, not to mention=
 someone has to maintain it after you get bored insulting people here and=
 move on. This is doubly true when the benefit is a handful of people who=
 want to might write some extension in C++. </div><br><div class=3D=22gma=
il=5Fquote=5Fattribution=22>On Aug 12 2024, at 2:59 pm, Lanre &lt;lnearwa=
ju=40gmail.com&gt; wrote:</div><blockquote><div><div><br></div><div class=
=3D=22gmail=5Fquote=22><div><div>I didn=E2=80=99t realize this was an ope=
n mic for Rust devs to flaunt their ignorance, but since you=E2=80=99ve d=
ecided to chime in, let me spell it out for you. Rust has absolutely noth=
ing to do with this discussion, so try to stay on topic. Nowhere did I me=
ntion a move to C++; perhaps reading comprehension isn=E2=80=99t your str=
ong suit.</div><br><br><div>PHP already supports C++ for extensions, as e=
videnced by the intl extension. The current support is painfully basic, w=
hich forces developers to waste time on redundant wrappers or use third-p=
arty libraries like PHP-CPP. What I=E2=80=99m proposing is a way to impro=
ve this support so C++ devs don=E2=80=99t have to keep doing the same men=
ial work over and over again.</div><br><div>All of this will be wrapped i=
n macros, so C compilers won=E2=80=99t even notice the compatibility laye=
r and will compile as usual. It=E2=80=99s a simple, elegant solution=E2=80=
=94something you might not be familiar with, given your affinity for Rust=
=E2=80=99s convoluted approach to everything.</div></div><div><br></div><=
div>Cheers,</div><div>Lanre.</div></div></div></blockquote>
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