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From: sarkedev@gmail.com (Peter Stalman)

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On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 6:14=E2=80=AFPM Mike Schinkel <mike@newclarity.net>=
 wrote:

> Frankly, if the pro-deprecation voters in the PHP community are not
> willing to pursue an initiative that proactively seeks to help users
> remediate and educate users about security concerns then I would argue
> *they* do not really care about security of PHP users but instead are onl=
y
> willing to paying lip service to it. #fwiw
>
> TLDR;?  Use a carrot, not a stick.
>
> -Mike
>

Thanks Mike, I see you have already made a very similar point to the one I
just sent out, but quite a bit more eloquently!

The deprecation arguments seem almost academic to me.

Thanks,
Peter

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 6:14=E2=80=AFPM M=
ike Schinkel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mike@newclarity.net">mike@newclarity.net=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex">Frankly, if the pro-deprecation voters in the PH=
P community are not willing to pursue an initiative that proactively seeks =
to help users remediate and educate users about security concerns then I wo=
uld argue *they* do not really care about security of PHP users but instead=
 are only willing to paying lip service to it. #fwiw<br>
<br>
TLDR;?=C2=A0 Use a carrot, not a stick.<br>
<br>
-Mike<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks Mike, I see you have alrea=
dy made a very similar point to the one I just sent out, but quite a bit mo=
re eloquently!<br><br>The deprecation arguments seem almost academic to me.=
<br><br>Thanks,<br>Peter<br><br></div></div></div>

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