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Fri, 26 Jul 2024 08:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2024 13:02:49 +0100 To: internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecations for PHP 8.4 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <1a88918e-e808-d778-45e1-53797660e093@php.net> <95147d9d-d6e8-4396-bf0b-409c33679f90@bastelstu.be> Message-ID: Precedence: bulk list-help: list-post: List-Id: internals.lists.php.net x-ms-reactions: disallow MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: imsop.php@rwec.co.uk ("Rowan Tommins [IMSoP]") On 26 July 2024 11:03:53 BST, "Gina P=2E Banyard" wr= ote: >Yet again the PHP community doesn't care about security of its users, cur= rent and future, and just prefers the convenience of needing to type less c= haracters and not go back fix some code for better design=2E This is a gross misrepresentation of what people are saying=2E I am in fav= our of the *aim* of educating users to use better hashing functions, but I = don't agree that the proposed deprecation is the right way to achieve that = aim=2E=20 Maybe some people who already know SHA1 is outdated will be prompted to sa= y "huh, I hadn't realised we used it there, let's add a backlog task to mig= rate to something else"=2E But just as likely they'll do that during a secu= rity audit anyway=2E The people you really want to reach, those who don't know much about it, w= ill do a find-and-replace from "sha1(" to "hash('sha1', " and gain nothing= =2E=20 The deprecation *might* make sense alongside introducing some new function= s that we want people to discover instead, but on its own, I don't think th= e benefits outweigh the costs=2E=20 Regards, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP]