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On Thu, Jul 11, 2024, at 7:09 AM, Derick Rethans wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2024, Roman Pronskiy wrote: > >> 2. Analytics >> It is hard to make any decisions without having a reliable source of >> stats and data. With more than 17,000 pages, updating all of them is >> impractical. Analytics, among other things, will help us prioritize >> updates based on page importance. Using a self-hosted Matomo instance >> seems a viable option for this. Derick Rethans will follow up with >> more details. > > I have looked at a few different solutions, and the most reasonsable > seems to self-host a Mamato (formerly Piwik) instance. This means no > analytics data will get send to third parties. It does raise questions about whether that means the PHP.net privacy policy (https://www.php.net/privacy.php) needs to be expanded and if we need to have and document a process for people requesting to have their data deleted (GDPR, CCPA). This is probably something that should be done regardless of whether analytics are added to the mix. Jim