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WordPress is the 800lb. > gorilla of the PHP app world having more server market share that is > dominant - how dominant depends on who you ask. The most conservative > estimate I've seen is about half of PHP sites are running WordPress, and > the most pro-WP quote I saw claimed it has around 80% share. > > Automattic has chosen on purpose to be the way it is and they chosen to rewrite everything into NodeJS, not that it will really help them anyway :) > --000000000000edc6b7061ca57ed7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Sun, Jul 7, 2024, 03:03 Michael Morris <= ;tendoaki@gmail.com> wrote:
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Many (most?) people on P= HP Internals view WordPress coding standards as bad and some even view addr= essing WordPress developers needs as bad for PHP....

I really don't want to get into that = crossfire.=C2=A0 WordPress is the 800lb. gorilla of the PHP app world havin= g more server market share that is dominant - how dominant depends on who y= ou ask. The most conservative estimate I've seen is about half of PHP s= ites are running WordPress, and the most pro-WP quote I saw claimed it has = around 80% share.
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Automattic has chosen on purp= ose to be the way it is and they chosen to rewrite everything into NodeJS, = not that it will really help them anyway :)
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