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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC]I'd like to see the RFCs that deprecate the
 FFI non-static approach start voting
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From: john@coggeshall.org (John Coggeshall)

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> That being said, I support your RFC. It seems like a better solution than mine. However, I would ask you to change your tone to be less offensive,
> because rudeness is not a welcomed behavior on the mailing list, and by the way, we have the same ultimate goal of improving PHP, even if you are
> unsatisfied with a past decision of mine.
>

I personally would love to see someone give FFI more love than it's received. It's got so much potential if it can become easier and less clunky / more straightforward to use. It seems like this particular functionality was implemented but it appears (at least to me?) that it doesn't have a clear caretaker who is putting in the work to really polish it up, improve the documentation, and make it accessible to the masses. I know I'd love to use it rather than having to write or use a custom PECL extension, but any time I've tried to play with it the barrier was too high to be productive.
Tone aside (I agree calling things stupid isn't productive.. this isn't the linux kernel mailing list circa 2010), it seems like there is a lot of frustration being caused by this lack of attention.. It feels like an aspect of PHP no one uses because most don't understand how to use it well -- Perhaps Chopins would you be willing to lead that charge? I can't imagine there are many voters on this list who even would have a strong opinion at this point on any changes we do make to improve the situation, so it seems like any well thought out proposal would likely succeed. Unless of course I'm grossly underestimating the popularity of FFI today.. in which case perhaps I should take my thoughts to the docs mailing list..
John
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<br><blockquote><div><div>That being said, I support your R=46C. It seems=
 like a better solution than mine. However, I would ask you&nbsp;to chang=
e your tone to be less offensive,</div><div>because rudeness is not a wel=
comed behavior on the mailing&nbsp;list, and by the way, we have the same=
 ultimate goal of improving PHP, even if you are</div><div>unsatisfied wi=
th a past&nbsp;decision of mine.</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><=
div><div><br><div>I personally would love to see someone give =46=46I mor=
e love than it's received. It's got so much potential if it can become ea=
sier and less clunky / more straightforward to use. It seems like this pa=
rticular functionality was implemented but it appears (at least to me=3F)=
 that it doesn't have a clear caretaker who is putting in the work to rea=
lly polish it up, improve the documentation, and make it accessible to th=
e masses. I know I'd love to use it rather than having to write or use a =
custom PECL extension, but any time I've tried to play with it the barrie=
r was too high to be productive. </div><br><div>Tone aside (I agree calli=
ng things stupid isn't productive.. this isn't the linux kernel mailing l=
ist circa 2010), it seems like there is a lot of frustration being caused=
 by this lack of attention.. It feels like an aspect of PHP no one uses b=
ecause most don't understand how to use it well -- Perhaps Chopins would =
you be willing to lead that charge=3F I can't imagine there are many vote=
rs on this list who even would have a strong opinion at this point on any=
 changes we do make to improve the situation, so it seems like any well t=
hought out proposal would likely succeed. Unless of course I'm grossly un=
derestimating the popularity of =46=46I today.. in which case perhaps I s=
hould take my thoughts to the docs mailing list..</div><br><div>John</div=
></div></div>
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