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Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2024 23:07:23 +0200
To: internals@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Iteration III: Packages (was Re: [PHP-DEV] [Initial Feedback]
 PHP User Modules - An Adaptation of ES6 from JavaScript)
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From: rob@bottled.codes ("Rob Landers")

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On Mon, Jul 1, 2024, at 18:22, Mike Schinkel wrote:
> > On Jul 1, 2024, at 7:57 AM, Arvids Godjuks <arvids.godjuks@gmail.com=
> wrote:
> >=20
> > TL;DR: As a userland developer, in my opinion, this is just a downgr=
ade from what we have now. Enhance namespaces to have the ability to hav=
e internal/private classes, interfaces, enums and constants. That's abou=
t it.
>=20
> Please note my comments that follow do not mean I am in support of thi=
s package proposal as presented.=20
>=20
> > Autoloading is one of the best killer features of PHP - love it or h=
ate it - it's your personal preference.
>=20
> Two really solid reasons to hate autoloading as implemented in PHP:
>=20
> 1. Autoloading runs userland code. This means it has the potential con=
flict between different packages with different autoloaders, it means th=
ere can be buggy autoloaders, and it means that when using XDEBUG every =
time a new symbol is found when the developer is single-step debugging t=
he developer will be dropped into the autoloader and then best case they=
 then immediately trace out. All of these aspects a major PITA and time =
waster and make debugging more exhausting than it needs to be.

FWIW, (in Intellij at least), you can set it to skip those files.

=E2=80=94 Rob
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<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type=3D"text/css">p.Mso=
Normal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div>On Mon, Jul 1, =
2024, at 18:22, Mike Schinkel wrote:<br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
id=3D"qt" style=3D""><div>&gt; On Jul 1, 2024, at 7:57 AM, Arvids Godjuk=
s &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:arvids.godjuks@gmail.com">arvids.godjuks@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div>&gt;&nbsp;<br></div><div>&gt; TL;DR: As =
a userland developer, in my opinion, this is just a downgrade from what =
we have now. Enhance namespaces to have the ability to have internal/pri=
vate classes, interfaces, enums and constants. That's about it.<br></div=
><div><br></div><div>Please note my comments that follow do not mean I a=
m in support of this package proposal as presented.&nbsp;<br></div><div>=
<br></div><div>&gt; Autoloading is one of the best killer features of PH=
P - love it or hate it - it's your personal preference.<br></div><div><b=
r></div><div>Two really solid reasons to hate autoloading as implemented=
 in PHP:<br></div><div><br></div><div>1. Autoloading runs userland code.=
 This means it has the potential conflict between different packages wit=
h different autoloaders, it means there can be buggy autoloaders, and it=
 means that when using XDEBUG every time a new symbol is found when the =
developer is single-step debugging the developer will be dropped into th=
e autoloader and then best case they then immediately trace out. All of =
these aspects a major PITA and time waster and make debugging more exhau=
sting than it needs to be.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>FWI=
W, (in Intellij at least), you can set it to skip those files.<br></div>=
<div><br></div><div id=3D"sig121229152">=E2=80=94 Rob<br></div></body></=
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