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Mon, 1 Jul 2024 12:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2024 18:17:42 +0200 To: internals@lists.php.net Subject: =?US-ASCII?Q?Re=3A_=5BPHP-DEV=5D_Iteration_III=3A_Pack?= =?US-ASCII?Q?ages_=28was_Re=3A_=5BPHP-DEV=5D_=5BInitial_?= =?US-ASCII?Q?Feedback=5D_PHP_User_Modules_-_An_A?= =?US-ASCII?Q?daptation_of_ES6_from_JavaScript=29?= User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <1917CF7C-26D8-4DBE-B05C-5AA650AC6C9F@rwec.co.uk> <551cd5b0-1c00-4818-a9ca-97f6b7e8c3dc@app.fastmail.com> <39B496F8-062E-4848-9B3B-529BE8D3415A@newclarity.net> <856F4F70-DC81-4098-82DD-5F6D47CDF3F0@newclarity.net> <217db044-e356-4e18-ba68-c18dce6381a5@app.fastmail.com> Message-ID: <8D065175-9383-4110-A245-7E876AF88281@rwec.co.uk> Precedence: bulk list-help: list-post: List-Id: internals.lists.php.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: imsop.php@rwec.co.uk ("Rowan Tommins [IMSoP]") On 1 July 2024 15:37:49 CEST, Alexander Pravdin wrote: >I personally support the movement from the current "plain-text >template-first" language to a "coding-first" language, where files >contain code by default=2E I honestly don't read the