Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:12411 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 60126 invoked by uid 1010); 27 Aug 2004 07:59:11 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 59389 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 07:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devel.bitflux.ch) (212.71.98.108) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 07:59:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by devel.bitflux.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC18296950; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:58:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from devel.bitflux.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (devel.bitflux.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02661-01-2; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:58:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (bx-109.bitflux.ch [212.71.98.109]) by devel.bitflux.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id A227C96946; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:58:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <412EE9C2.2020709@bitflux.ch> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:58:58 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (Macintosh/20040626) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hartmut@php-groupies.de Cc: Derick Rethans , Sebastian Bergmann , internals@lists.php.net References: <412EDE81.4040505@bitflux.ch> <412EE991.1010304@php.net> In-Reply-To: <412EE991.1010304@php.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at bitflux.ch Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process From: chregu@bitflux.ch (Christian Stocker) On 27.8.2004 9:58 Uhr, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: > Christian Stocker wrote: > >> Actually, other people i talk to are always impressed, how this >> "chaotic", based-on-common-agreement developement process actually >> works at all ;) > > > Well, one reason might be no matter how fuzzy the process > there are some very clear metrics for the result, like > e.g. "compiles", "passes tests" or, a little more fuzzy > but still rather fact-based, "works". And you can apply > all these to different scales of changes. Combine this > with the fact that the effort needed to implement changes > does not include any noticable cost of creating a copy > first and you'll find that creating software is very > different to other forms of science, engineering and > art. I wanted to compare it to other software projects (notably I spoked to some Mozilla guys about that topic and also some "commercial/proprietary" software developers), not to science et al. I'm an engineer by education, so I wouldn't dare to try to compare PHP developement process to eg. building a sewage plant (yeah, I learned how to do that ;) ) chregu -- christian stocker | Bitflux GmbH | schoeneggstrasse 5 | ch-8004 zurich phone +41 1 240 56 70 | mobile +41 76 561 88 60 | fax +41 1 240 56 71 http://www.bitflux.ch | chregu@bitflux.ch | gnupg-keyid 0x5CE1DECB