Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:12410 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 52376 invoked by uid 1010); 27 Aug 2004 07:57:12 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 48458 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 07:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jdi.jdimedia.nl) (212.204.192.51) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 07:56:17 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jdi.jdimedia.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7R7uG5r029350 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:56:16 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jdi.jdimedia.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7R7uC0T029320; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:56:13 +0200 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:56:12 +0200 (CEST) X-X-Sender: derick@localhost To: hartmut@php-groupies.de cc: Christian Stocker , Sebastian Bergmann , internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: <412EE991.1010304@php.net> Message-ID: References: <412EDE81.4040505@bitflux.ch> <412EE991.1010304@php.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at jdimedia.nl Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: > Christian Stocker wrote: > > Actually, other people i talk to are always impressed, how this > > "chaotic", based-on-common-agreement developement process actually works > > at all ;) > > Well, one reason might be no matter how fuzzy the process > there are some very clear metrics for the result, like > e.g. "compiles", "passes tests" or, a little more fuzzy > but still rather fact-based, "works". And you can apply > all these to different scales of changes. Combine this > with the fact that the effort needed to implement changes > does not include any noticable cost of creating a copy > first and you'll find that creating software is very > different to other forms of science, engineering and > art. We have some of this in our EXTENSIONS file in CVS. regards, Derick -- Derick Rethans http://derickrethans.nl | http://ez.no | http://xdebug.org