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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 06:59:55 +0200
To: "Saki Takamachi" <saki@sakiot.com>
Cc: "Gina P. Banyard" <internals@gpb.moe>, internals@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Operator Overrides -- Lite Edition
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From: rob@bottled.codes ("Rob Landers")

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On Sun, Jun 30, 2024, at 01:28, Saki Takamachi wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> > Hello internals,
> >=20
> > I've updated the RFC to include final-ish examples (barring any furt=
her constructive feedback), a prototype implementation, and an objection=
s section.
> >=20
> > Cheers,
> >=20
> > Rob
>=20
> It seems like the "hack" I mentioned is still possible, am I misunders=
tanding something?

That=E2=80=99s always going to be a possibility, no matter what we do or=
 how we do it. I think it would be a rather pointless hack now that I ca=
n run the code. For the most part, the engine treats these as numbers an=
d trying to dodge that will land you in hot water eventually.=20

>=20
> And I don't understand the purpose of polyfills at all. If you're not =
using the GMP extensions and can't do operator overloading, won't you ju=
st have a class with protected methods that are never used and don't act=
ually do anything?

Ah, that could probably be clearer in the RFC, but you have to make it p=
ublic to be able to use it.

It=E2=80=99s a bit clunky to use without the extension, but that=E2=80=99=
s mostly because I didn=E2=80=99t want to get into OperandPosition from =
Jordan=E2=80=99s RFC. Many people were confused about it, so I=E2=80=99m=
 just avoiding it.

=E2=80=94 Rob
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<br></div><div>On Sun, Jun 30, 2024, at 01:28, Saki Takamachi wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote type=3D"cite" id=3D"qt" style=3D""><div>Hi,<br></div><=
div><br></div><div>&gt; Hello internals,<br></div><div>&gt;&nbsp;<br></d=
iv><div>&gt; I've updated the RFC to include final-ish examples (barring=
 any further constructive feedback), a prototype implementation, and an =
objections section.<br></div><div>&gt;&nbsp;<br></div><div>&gt; Cheers,<=
br></div><div>&gt;&nbsp;<br></div><div>&gt; Rob<br></div><div><br></div>=
<div>It seems like the "hack" I mentioned is still possible, am I misund=
erstanding something?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That=E2=80=
=99s always going to be a possibility, no matter what we do or how we do=
 it. I think it would be a rather pointless hack now that I can run the =
code. For the most part, the engine treats these as numbers and trying t=
o dodge that will land you in hot water eventually.&nbsp;</div><div><br>=
</div><blockquote type=3D"cite" id=3D"qt" style=3D""><div><br></div><div=
>And I don't understand the purpose of polyfills at all. If you're not u=
sing the GMP extensions and can't do operator overloading, won't you jus=
t have a class with protected methods that are never used and don't actu=
ally do anything?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ah, that cou=
ld probably be clearer in the RFC, but you have to make it public to be =
able to use it.<br></div><div><br></div><div>It=E2=80=99s a bit clunky t=
o use without the extension, but that=E2=80=99s mostly because I didn=E2=
=80=99t want to get into OperandPosition from Jordan=E2=80=99s RFC. Many=
 people were confused about it, so I=E2=80=99m just avoiding it.<br></di=
v><div><br></div><div id=3D"sig121229152">=E2=80=94 Rob<br></div></body>=
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