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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 17:56:21 +0200
To: internals@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [Initial Feedback] PHP User Modules - An Adaptation of ES6 from
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On Sat, Jun 29, 2024, at 17:27, Michael Morris wrote:
>=20
>=20
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=AFAM Rob Landers <rob@bottled.codes=
> wrote:
>> __
>>=20
>> With a bit of finangling, you can actually port JavaScript line-for-l=
ine to PHP, but not the other way around.
>=20
> JavaScript uses prototypical inheritance, and any program that leverag=
es that aspect of it will be IMPOSSIBLE to port to PHP line for line wit=
hout a massive rewrite and restructure that amounts to a hell of a lot m=
ore than "a bit of finangling". =20

This is getting a bit off-topic, but "it depends" on how it gets used. S=
ometimes you can use static classes and composition, sometimes you can u=
se traits, and sometimes you can just put the behavior right on the obje=
ct because it is only used "locally". There are some basic patterns of w=
hen to use each and how. It's actually pretty straightforward.

It gets weird when people modify the protypes of arrays, strings, and ot=
her base-types, but people (mostly) stopped doing that ~10-15 years ago.=20

>=20
> As someone proficient in both languages I find that claim hilarious.

But how many projects have you ported? :p

>=20
> Now granted, there's a lot of JavaScript out there written by programm=
ers coming from a classical inheritance background (i.e. PHP, C#, Java) =
who therefore never leverage prototypical inheritance at all, and those =
programs are trivial to port between the languages, but that isn't all t=
here is to JavaScript.

Yes, this is indeed the easiest.

=E2=80=94 Rob
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<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type=3D"text/css">p.Mso=
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<br></div><div>On Sat, Jun 29, 2024, at 17:27, Michael Morris wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote type=3D"cite" id=3D"qt" style=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div><br></div><div class=3D"qt-gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"qt-gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 29, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=
=AFAM Rob Landers &lt;rob@bottled.codes&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"qt-gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin=
-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:so=
lid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D=
"qt-msg-3113086830849812631"><div><u></u><br></div><div><div><br></div><=
div>With a bit of finangling, you can actually port JavaScript line-for-=
line to PHP, but not the other way around.<br></div></div></div></blockq=
uote><div><br></div><div>JavaScript uses prototypical inheritance, and a=
ny program that leverages that aspect of it will be IMPOSSIBLE to port t=
o PHP line for line without a massive rewrite and restructure that amoun=
ts to a hell of a lot more than "a bit of finangling".&nbsp;&nbsp;<br></=
div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is getting a bit o=
ff-topic, but "it depends" on how it gets used. Sometimes you can use st=
atic classes and composition, sometimes you can use traits, and sometime=
s you can just put the behavior right on the object because it is only u=
sed "locally". There are some basic patterns of when to use each and how=
. It's actually pretty straightforward.<br></div><div><br></div><div>It =
gets weird when people modify the protypes of arrays, strings, and other=
 base-types, but people (mostly) stopped doing that ~10-15 years ago.&nb=
sp;<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" id=3D"qt" style=3D=
""><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"qt-gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>As=
 someone proficient in both languages I find that claim hilarious.<br></=
div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>But how many projects h=
ave you ported? :p</div><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" id=3D"q=
t" style=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"qt-gmail_quote"><div><br></=
div><div>Now granted, there's a lot of JavaScript out there written by p=
rogrammers coming from a classical inheritance background (i.e. PHP, C#,=
 Java) who therefore never leverage prototypical inheritance at all, and=
 those programs are trivial to port between the languages, but that isn'=
t all there is to JavaScript.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br=
></div><div>Yes, this is indeed the easiest.<br></div><div><br></div><di=
v id=3D"sig121229152">=E2=80=94 Rob<br></div></body></html>
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