Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:124043 X-Original-To: internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: internals@lists.php.net Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (php-smtp4.php.net [45.112.84.5]) by qa.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C044E1ADA76 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2024 15:37:55 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=php.net; s=mail; t=1719675554; bh=Eyni7LzST4pxObH6q8cxA4B9s/HpymQ6ZK1vL9uj2gE=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=WtOnvQ4lovI7OiiRsfQOx5y2O8tEA0wYtO8BmdQqb5Cuj7UFOhle/ivSOM4MTXv7B RbxbKkH1baIlUb2mxOuXVPRmzg4aNdBZiADv3anlM2/PSr6yH4wIg0YgdauuwASLWf aAYQY1eYW5XCwSvhVfNNAETCNtkkOcYgBBZHywoaj5I5Dmro8cV2B2kNHCUYTY04Lh zqKlGE5GuvxYrAeqnnXWlxbe4OOuGyokp94Qh7Wutc/GzCTnce9BQ25yr+cfMBWj7L 21HVsjxUgD/X2Rw7oLx0AncOy10Fn0FGO566cYrias1oVfOeZuR4EVEOa4UTNJt17V Cp5ycMzmhd1Nw== Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C780181C75 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2024 15:39:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DMARC_NONE, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 X-Spam-Virus: Error (Cannot connect to unix socket '/var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl': connect: Connection refused) X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-yw1-f173.google.com (mail-yw1-f173.google.com [209.85.128.173]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2024 15:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw1-f173.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-6480542003dso15545367b3.0 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2024 08:37:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1719675471; x=1720280271; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=eJ1OlqhyiJK2WlwWl1ba+87et0wsC9RDAY/qoYu/A1c=; b=KZoKqqljn3kqpFVfjyXAUgQENWG16b7wObfO91DKnPmWFCFo/CehSAPee0MZxTesr3 t8shOGGk/zn9Bha6tn0Sxv7WiZIDSV7/Z8vAKdojIwQu0rcZfH811yPBTks7shElgQC4 HZxBh0OppEDKJbTdXN3OBasYRL0FjfEkT7MAG4oVjNdA8CD/JBXYuPEW1rPLPjK1+EaQ Kx/eKgGENJOnL5ULxoJe2ILCuTc6Nsn7jstM9bZDCn64CJ7/ZlG60epaqQUmsvhwYiNy SDPTeskgi02BIzb/Ak0UDrM+0tWs0aKJuHMy+w5UBcniDGLYlo2ntVBP6+lJN/+oqf08 XKEg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzM3+Ba/B3Aaw+/PwZbHa5c8KFMP8Jpd7wkfuXWZ+XfMJWmf3Mi BXY+Ua+zpIJkUZphQrxP6OhtkJJi0SdG8u5ZfkG4HEO2MWCAUdc4B4cgM7PY2w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGjIRBQ1kmErgsfQBp3dzcjkgdDhOhnZySu+UCouNatyjoihTGo8+wZAhdmP8sftLbEtOhnOg== X-Received: by 2002:a81:ad05:0:b0:648:b1f9:67a0 with SMTP id 00721157ae682-64c72d4040cmr12655267b3.33.1719675465408; Sat, 29 Jun 2024 08:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (h96-61-170-179.lvrgtn.broadband.dynamic.tds.net. [96.61.170.179]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 00721157ae682-64a99c71a32sm7051397b3.12.2024.06.29.08.37.44 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 29 Jun 2024 08:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk list-help: list-post: List-Id: internals.lists.php.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.600.62\)) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Operator Overrides -- Lite Edition In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 10:37:34 -0500 Cc: php internals Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <90dd3eb6-c7be-4951-a6b6-fd3785ed92e5@app.fastmail.com> <89C9AC15-1456-46AE-9183-DFDA7D0D381D@sakiot.com> To: Larry Garfield X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.600.62) From: ramsey@php.net (Ben Ramsey) > On Jun 29, 2024, at 10:16, Larry Garfield = wrote: >=20 > For clarity (since I know from experience it's helpful to RFC authors = to have a concrete sense of votes in advance): I will be voting No on = this RFC. As both Jordan and Saki have explained, it's a hideous hack = that doesn't look like it would even work, much less be wise. I'd much = rather take a second swing at Jordan's original operator overloading = RFC, which I supported and still support. Let's do it right. I agree with Larry that I would rather take another look at an overall = operator overloading RFC than to implement this in one specific = extension. Cheers, Ben