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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [Initial Feedback] PHP User Modules - An Adaptation of
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 05:41:25 -0400
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From: mike@newclarity.net (Mike Schinkel)


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> On Jun 28, 2024, at 7:45 AM, Rob Landers <rob@bottled.codes =
<mailto:rob@bottled.codes>> wrote:
>> Fast forward a bit - PHP 5.3, and the introduction of namespaces were =
introduced to deal with the overloaded symbol tables. They are a bit a =
hotwire as (if I'm not mistaken, it's been a couple years since I read =
the discussion on it) they just quietly prepend the namespace string in =
front of the name of all new symbols declared in the namespace for use =
elsewhere. As a result, PHP namespaces don't do some of the things we =
see in the namespaces of other languages (looking at Java and C# here). =
For example, privacy modifiers within a namespace aren't a thing.
>=20
> This would be nice to have ... maybe. But namespace have been around, =
what, 10-15 years? I think if someone wanted to "fix" it, it would have =
been fixed by now.

Or not. =20

Never underestimate the power of inertia for maintaining a less than =
ideal status-quo, especially when the decision to change has to be =
approved by a 2/3rd vote of committee. =F0=9F=A4=B7=E2=80=8D=E2=99=82=EF=B8=
=8F

-Mike=

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jun =
28, 2024, at 7:45 AM, Rob Landers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rob@bottled.codes"=
 class=3D"">rob@bottled.codes</a>&gt; wrote:</div><div =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" id=3D"qt" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D""><div class=3D"qt-gmail_quote"><div class=3D"">Fast forward a =
bit - PHP 5.3, and the introduction of namespaces were introduced to =
deal with the overloaded symbol tables. They are a bit a hotwire as (if =
I'm not mistaken, it's been a couple years since I read the discussion =
on it) they just quietly prepend the namespace string in front of the =
name of all new symbols declared in the namespace for use elsewhere. As =
a result, PHP namespaces don't do some of the things we see in the =
namespaces of other languages (looking at Java and C# here). For =
example, privacy modifiers within a namespace aren't a thing.<br =
class=3D""></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">This would be nice to have ... maybe. =
But namespace have been around, what, 10-15 years? I think if someone =
wanted to "fix" it, it would have been fixed by now.<br =
class=3D""></div></div></blockquote><br class=3D""></div><blockquote =
style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Or not. &nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Never underestimate the power of inertia for maintaining a =
less than ideal status-quo, especially when the decision to change has =
to be approved by a 2/3rd vote of committee. =F0=9F=A4=B7=E2=80=8D=E2=99=82=
=EF=B8=8F</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></blockquote><div =
class=3D"">-Mike</div></body></html>=

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