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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [Initial Feedback] PHP User Modules - An Adaptation of
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To: Jim Winstead <jimw@trainedmonkey.com>
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From: jordan.ledoux@gmail.com (Jordan LeDoux)

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On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 12:53=E2=80=AFPM Jim Winstead <jimw@trainedmonkey.c=
om>
wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, at 7:15 PM, Michael Morris wrote:
>
> PHP User Modules are php files that are brought into the runtime through =
a
> new parser that is able to generate faster and more concise runtime code =
by
> removing support for problematic features and imposing a strict mode by
> default. They focus on PHP as a language and not as a template engine.
>
>
> I think the problem I have with this proposal is calling these "PHP User
> Modules". Here's an admittedly uncharitable rephrase of this:
>
> "NewLanguage User Modules are NewLanguage files that are brought into the
> PHP runtime through a new parser that may theoretically be able to genera=
te
> faster and more concise runtime code by implementing a different language
> based on much of the syntax from PHP. This new language does not prioriti=
ze
> its use as a template language for HTML."
>
>
Do you feel that Phar is a separate language? Is PHP no longer PHP if the @
error suppression is removed? I'm really unclear about the point you are
making here, even if I ignore the "uncharitable" rephrase.

Jordan

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 12:53=E2=80=
=AFPM Jim Winstead &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jimw@trainedmonkey.com">jimw@train=
edmonkey.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex"><div class=3D"msg6995425435736615221"><u></u><div><div style=3D=
"font-family:Arial">On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, at 7:15 PM, Michael Morris wrote:=
<br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" id=3D"m_6995425435736615221qt"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div>PHP User Modules are php files that are brought into the runt=
ime through a new parser that is able to generate faster and more concise r=
untime code by removing support for problematic features and imposing a str=
ict mode by default. They focus on PHP as a language and not as a template =
engine.<br></div></div></blockquote><div style=3D"font-family:Arial"><br></=
div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial">I think the problem I have with this p=
roposal is calling these &quot;PHP User Modules&quot;. Here&#39;s an admitt=
edly uncharitable rephrase of this:<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Aria=
l"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial">&quot;NewLanguage User Module=
s are NewLanguage files that are brought into the PHP runtime through a new=
 parser that may theoretically be able to generate faster and more concise =
runtime code by implementing a different language based on much of the synt=
ax from PHP. This new language does not prioritize its use as a template la=
nguage for HTML.&quot;<br></div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div=
><div>Do you feel that Phar is a separate language? Is PHP no longer PHP if=
 the @ error suppression is removed? I&#39;m really unclear about the point=
 you are making here, even if I ignore the &quot;uncharitable&quot; rephras=
e.</div><div><br></div><div>Jordan<br></div></div></div>

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