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They focus on PHP as a language and not as a template engine. > > > I think the problem I have with this proposal is calling these "PHP User > Modules". Here's an admittedly uncharitable rephrase of this: > > "NewLanguage User Modules are NewLanguage.. > If you know you're being insulting why do it? It's completely unhelpful. --00000000000012a06a061be56e69 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 3:52=E2=80=AF= PM Jim Winstead <jimw@trainedm= onkey.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, at 7:15 PM, Michael Morris wrote:<= br>
PHP User Modules are php files that are brought into the runt= ime through a new parser that is able to generate faster and more concise r= untime code by removing support for problematic features and imposing a str= ict mode by default. They focus on PHP as a language and not as a template = engine.

I think the problem I have with this p= roposal is calling these "PHP User Modules". Here's an admitt= edly uncharitable rephrase of this:

"NewLanguage User Module= s are NewLanguage..

I= f you know you're being insulting why do it? It's completely unhelp= ful.
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