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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2024 11:29:14 -0700
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [Initial Feedback] PHP User Modules - An Adaptation of
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To: Deleu <deleugyn@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael Morris <tendoaki@gmail.com>, PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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From: jordan.ledoux@gmail.com (Jordan LeDoux)

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On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 11:13=E2=80=AFAM Deleu <deleugyn@gmail.com> wrote:

> Who would build it is an extremely key aspect of making changes to PHP.
> Ideas are hard enough to survive the RFC process when there's already an
> implementation. Finding a sponsor to work on this would be the first step=
.
>
>  ...
>
I like the idea but I'm a bit skeptical until we have some buy-in from
> someone that could actually get this implemented.
>
> --
> Marco Deleu
>

Perhaps, though a conversation like this is helpful. Some rather
complicated RFCs do get approved/voted on before an implementation is done
when contributors who are familiar with the Zend engine get on board early.
Conversely, there are some extremely thoroughly implemented complicated
RFCs that get rejected because most voters don't participate in discussion
until voting is actually started. Something as broad as this probably
requires an off-list discussion with key active contributors, because
participation on list is so hit-and-miss.

Jordan

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 11:13=E2=80=
=AFAM Deleu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:deleugyn@gmail.com">deleugyn@gmail.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>Who would build it is an extr=
emely key aspect of making changes to PHP. Ideas are hard enough to survive=
 the RFC process when there&#39;s already an implementation. Finding a spon=
sor to work on this would be the first step.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=
=A0...</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div></div><div>I l=
ike the idea but I&#39;m a bit skeptical until we have some buy-in from som=
eone that could actually get this implemented.</div></div><div><br></div><s=
pan class=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Marco Dele=
u</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><b=
r></div><div>Perhaps, though a conversation like this is helpful. Some rath=
er complicated RFCs do get approved/voted on before an implementation is do=
ne when contributors who are familiar with the Zend engine get on board ear=
ly. Conversely, there are some extremely thoroughly implemented complicated=
 RFCs that get rejected because most voters don&#39;t participate in discus=
sion until voting is actually started. Something as broad as this probably =
requires an off-list discussion with key active contributors, because parti=
cipation on list is so hit-and-miss.</div><div><br></div><div>Jordan<br></d=
iv></div></div>

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