Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:12384 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 50227 invoked by uid 1010); 26 Aug 2004 22:58:55 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 34477 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 22:56:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zcamail03.zca.compaq.com) (161.114.32.103) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 22:56:28 -0000 Received: from cacexg12.americas.cpqcorp.net (cacexg12.americas.cpqcorp.net [16.92.1.72]) by zcamail03.zca.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CEE084F for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cacexc04.americas.cpqcorp.net ([16.92.1.26]) by cacexg12.americas.cpqcorp.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:56:08 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:56:07 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental extensions... all over again Thread-Index: AcSLutODOsLr1IBHQiW9x5uhVk0NAwAADvSw To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2004 22:56:08.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFBD3530:01C48BBF] Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental extensions... all over again From: roshan.naik@hp.com ("Naik, Roshan") Andi wrote: > Oh boy, if you don't see the difference between "concrete=20 > suggestions to be=20 > heard that's fine, but try and keep it short, to the point, and=20 > constructive"=20 There were concrete solutions (if you cared to read. so atleast read this one all the way) And were also backed up by others. So not everyone=20 took offense at it....nor there shold be any need to. Why is it not concrete ? Andi wrote: > and the email you sent then it is really preferable to=20 > everyone here for you to stop emailing this list. So let us know who is included and who is NOT in that convenient use of "everyone".=20 We must drop arrognace and work towards encouraging=20 discussions that can improve the situation moving=20 forward. Only by encouraging discusssion can we reach to solutions to such issues.=20 Once again I am *not* asking to hold a whip to the=20 developers who are working for free here. Just dont include code until its ready. Let them mature=20 elsewhere and carefully pick the best of the lot. Invite implementations for a given feature. So people know their work may have a good chance of going somehwere...if they did a good job. It encourages healthy competition and improves=20 product quality. PHP has been bitten by this before many times, lets not let it happen again. And lets not advertise experimental features. -Roshan