Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:12383 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 76775 invoked by uid 1010); 26 Aug 2004 22:40:24 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 73333 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2004 22:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.communityconnect.com) (209.10.169.57) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2004 22:39:20 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.communityconnect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78626F5DB; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.communityconnect.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cc18-2.web.gbx.ccops.us [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06859-08; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.101.34] (cc240-0.web.gbx.ccops.us [10.30.0.240]) by mail.communityconnect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B2B6F67B; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: john@coggeshall.org To: "Naik, Roshan" Cc: internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <1093559847.24830.23.camel@unix-101-34.hq.communityconnect.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:37:27 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.communityconnect.com Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental extensions... all over again From: john@coggeshall.org (John Coggeshall) On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 17:14, Naik, Roshan wrote: > I dont beleive all the people are being pissed off. They are just I didn't even bother reading past this line, and I'll be surprised if anyone else responds to this because chances are you've already been filtered out of existence. You're demanding, confrontational, make no attempt to understand the environment under which you are trying to get something done and worse of all annoying the hell out of us all. So yes, it's pissing me off too. You walked through the door trying to fix one thing -- you'd like to see some extensions in PHP get their experimental status removed. The reality of the situation is that they're that way for a reason most of the time and if you don't like that -- well, there isn't a damn thing you or I can really do about it besides change it ourselves. The author of the extensions are the ones who really are responsible for those changes so you should be contacting them directly with your complaints anyway. No one is really "happy" with the idea that some extensions are in this state, but most of us have a full-time job we attend to during the day and then hack on making PHP better when we have the time to do so. If you don't like those rules go use ASP -- I'm sure Microsoft has a great support contract for a few thousand dollars a month where they will wait on your demands. You aren't going to get anywhere with this so just drop it. There are no promises that something will or will not happen in open source, there isn't any promise that anything even works. The bottom line here is this is *YOUR* problem, not mine or Rasmus' or anyone else's here on this list and you need to start treating it that way. You could have gotten a lot farther just asking what you could do to help get those extensions out of Experimental and doing it. Chances are if you would have gotten some help along the way too. Learn some interpersonal skills -- especially with people who owe you nothing.