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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Renaming "strict types" to "scalar type coercion"
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 12:16:22 -0400
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Cc: Robert Landers <landers.robert@gmail.com>,
 internals <internals@lists.php.net>
To: David Gebler <davidgebler@gmail.com>
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From: mike@newclarity.net (Mike Schinkel)


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> On Jun 18, 2024, at 5:04 PM, David Gebler <davidgebler@gmail.com> =
wrote:
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> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024, 17:40 Robert Landers, <landers.robert@gmail.com =
<mailto:landers.robert@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello internals,
>=20
> Many, many people start their files fairly religiously:
>=20
> <?php declare(strict_types=3D1);
>=20
> and I say "religiously" because from talking to people in real life,
> reddit, workplaces, etc, very few php programmers actually know what
> this does but do it nonetheless.=20
>=20
> I think there's almost certainly a degree of truth, not just in PHP =
but programming in general, in the idea that there are many people who =
will blindly follow a convention for no better reason they once heard =
someone they considered more senior than themselves say the words "best =
practice"


There is a notable term for that: "Cargo Cult Programming":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_programming =
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_programming>

#fwiw

-Mike



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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Jun 18, 2024, at 5:04 PM, David Gebler &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:davidgebler@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">davidgebler@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
charset=3D"UTF-8" class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, 18 =
Jun 2024, 17:40 Robert Landers, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:landers.robert@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" class=3D"">landers.robert@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hello =
internals,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Many, many people start their =
files fairly religiously:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">&lt;?php =
declare(strict_types=3D1);<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">and I say =
"religiously" because from talking to people in real life,<br =
class=3D"">reddit, workplaces, etc, very few php programmers actually =
know what<br class=3D"">this does but do it nonetheless.&nbsp;<br =
class=3D""></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">I think there's almost =
certainly a degree of truth, not just in PHP but programming in general, =
in the idea that there are many people who will blindly follow a =
convention for no better reason they once heard someone they considered =
more senior than themselves say the words "best =
practice"</div></div></div></blockquote><br class=3D""></div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><div>There is a notable term for that: "Cargo Cult =
Programming":</div><div><br class=3D""></div><blockquote style=3D"margin: =
0px 0px 0px 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" class=3D""><div><a =
href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_programming" =
class=3D"">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_programming</a></div><=
/blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div><div>#fwiw</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>-Mike</div><div><br class=3D""></div></div><br =
class=3D""></body></html>=

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