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The argument is not "I don't want to maintain it", it's "w= e shouldn't burden future maintainers with this". I don't agree that maintainers 10 years ago choosing to not "burden future m= aintainers with this" is more valid than current maintainers choosing otherw= ise. As I said, too much has changed and so has the weight of the burden (fo= r better or worse). > All I'm asking is that if we are going to revisit features we previously r= ejected, we start with "here's why I think the arguments for and against thi= s feature have changed", rather than "I don't like the old result, I demand a= new vote". You think a good place to start is to pinpoint what changed. I think that in= 10 years *everything* has changed. I wasn't giving a list of possible abstr= acts" for us to discuss each of them, I was pointing out how easy it is to c= ome up with multiple reasons why a new vote might go a different direction. I don't like the old result but I don't think there is any "demanding a new v= ote". There is simply new people interested in something that coincidentally= happened to have had an interest a decade ago.