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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 08:56:56 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Revisiting case-sensitivity in PHP
To: =?UTF-8?Q?Rokas_=C5=A0leinius?= <raveren@gmail.com>
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On Fri, 14 Jun 2024, 05:39 Rokas =C5=A0leinius, <raveren@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Besides, this is slightly off topic, but I don't know if you know, but
> if you take a look at stackoverflow developer survey over the years,
> there has been an absolute 30% drop of php popularity in the past few
> years.
>
> I would guess this is mostly the low-level developers not being fans
> of the language removing magic quotes and other "super useful"
> features. In other words, PHP lost the average joe as its target
> audience. Joe's gone.
>
> Just my 2=C2=A2:
> a) this WAS the reason PHP was great and I loved to rewrite the
> systems of several very successful companies who started out with
> their non-technical founders who coded their way out of the box to
> begin multi-million businesses
> b) the PHP core and co. (a.k.a. YOU) should be acutely aware that the
> language needs to be liked by not only you, dear awesome lovely
> hardcore nerds, but also the users who just need to get stuff done,
> business needs fulfilled.
>
> I know this is not how YOU work, but if you ignore that part of the
> language users, there might eventually not be a language to work on in
> the future.
>
> So please, keep the language loose, I hate the slight inconsistency
> too, but if we ruin the day for another 20% of users, it might even be
> the straw that broke the camel's back.
>

PHP's decline in popularity is not correlated with its objective
improvements. If you long for older (broken) versions, they are still
available.

Bilge

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Fri, 14 Jun 2024, 05:39 Rokas =C5=A0leinius, &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:raveren@gmail.com">raveren@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Besides, this is slightly off topic, but I don&#39;t know if you know, but<=
br>
if you take a look at stackoverflow developer survey over the years,<br>
there has been an absolute 30% drop of php popularity in the past few<br>
years.<br>
<br>
I would guess this is mostly the low-level developers not being fans<br>
of the language removing magic quotes and other &quot;super useful&quot;<br=
>
features. In other words, PHP lost the average joe as its target<br>
audience. Joe&#39;s gone.<br>
<br>
Just my 2=C2=A2:<br>
a) this WAS the reason PHP was great and I loved to rewrite the<br>
systems of several very successful companies who started out with<br>
their non-technical founders who coded their way out of the box to<br>
begin multi-million businesses<br>
b) the PHP core and co. (a.k.a. YOU) should be acutely aware that the<br>
language needs to be liked by not only you, dear awesome lovely<br>
hardcore nerds, but also the users who just need to get stuff done,<br>
business needs fulfilled.<br>
<br>
I know this is not how YOU work, but if you ignore that part of the<br>
language users, there might eventually not be a language to work on in<br>
the future.<br>
<br>
So please, keep the language loose, I hate the slight inconsistency<br>
too, but if we ruin the day for another 20% of users, it might even be<br>
the straw that broke the camel&#39;s back.<br></blockquote></div></div><div=
 dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">PHP&#39;s decline in popularity i=
s not correlated with its objective improvements. If you long for older (br=
oken) versions, they are still available.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">Bilge</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
</blockquote></div></div></div>

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