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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 09:44:09 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Asymmetric Visibility, v2
To: Lanre <lnearwaju@gmail.com>
Cc: Derick Rethans <derick@php.net>, internals@lists.php.net
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From: kjarli@gmail.com (Lynn)

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On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 3:15=E2=80=AFAM Lanre <lnearwaju@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why invest time in crafting yet another pull request or RFC when it's
> glaringly obvious that you guys have no clue what you're doing? First,
> there's the questionable decision to implement JIT in 8.0, followed by th=
e
> introduction of an entirely new library (IR) to a language that's
> predominantly request-based, boasting nothing more than a rudimentary AST=
,
> plagued with inconsistencies, clinging to CGI, and practically useless
> without a framework. And now, after greenlighting a dubious property hook=
s
> RFC, the same individuals are embroiled in a debate over Asymmetric
> Visibility? If you can't think up ways to make the engine "more rubust an=
d
> sturdy" as a paid member of the foundation then maybe it is also time to
> start reconsidering my donations.
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> w=
rote:
>
>> On 10 June 2024 21:17:38 BST, Lanre <lnearwaju@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >You guys are killing PHP. There is a lot of work to be done on the engi=
ne
>> >to modernize it and make it more robust and sturdy. Shit like this just
>> >adds more complexity to PHP in the name of convenience. I think this is
>> my
>> >cue to explore other languages for handling requests
>>
>>
>> Please moderate your language.
>>
>> Posts like this do nothing except a higher chance for people to ignore
>> you, when you've actual points to make, such as credible suggestions as =
to
>> how to make PHP "more rubust and sturdy".
>>
>> Looking forwards to your RFCs and patches.
>>
>> cheers
>> Derick
>>
>
Sometimes people grow in a different direction than a project and that's
okay, you should do what you feel is best for you. Even if that means you
will no longer be enriching us with your presence, I think the PHP project
will eventually recover from such great loss.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 3:15=E2=80=AF=
AM Lanre &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lnearwaju@gmail.com">lnearwaju@gmail.com</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><div>Why invest time in crafting yet another pull request or R=
FC when it&#39;s glaringly obvious that you guys have no clue what you&#39;=
re doing? First, there&#39;s the questionable decision to implement JIT in =
8.0, followed by the introduction of an entirely new library (IR) to a lang=
uage that&#39;s predominantly request-based, boasting nothing more than a r=
udimentary AST, plagued with inconsistencies, clinging to CGI, and practica=
lly useless without a framework. And now, after greenlighting a dubious pro=
perty hooks RFC, the same individuals are embroiled in a debate over Asymme=
tric Visibility? If you can&#39;t think up ways to make the engine &quot;mo=
re rubust and sturdy&quot; as a paid member of the foundation then maybe it=
 is also time to start reconsidering my donations.<br></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 10, 2024=
 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Derick Rethans &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:derick@php.net" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">derick@php.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 10 June 2024 21:17:38 BST, Lanre &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:lnearwaju@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lnearwaju@gmail.com</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;You guys are killing PHP. There is a lot of work to be done on the engi=
ne<br>
&gt;to modernize it and make it more robust and sturdy. Shit like this just=
<br>
&gt;adds more complexity to PHP in the name of convenience. I think this is=
 my<br>
&gt;cue to explore other languages for handling requests<br>
<br>
<br>
Please moderate your language.<br>
<br>
Posts like this do nothing except a higher chance for people to ignore you,=
 when you&#39;ve actual points to make, such as credible suggestions as to =
how to make PHP &quot;more rubust and sturdy&quot;.<br>
<br>
Looking forwards to your RFCs and patches.<br>
<br>
cheers<br>
Derick<br></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sometim=
es people grow in a different direction than a project and that&#39;s okay,=
 you should do what you feel is best for you. Even if that means you will n=
o longer be enriching us with your presence, I think the PHP project will e=
ventually recover from such great loss.</div></div></div>

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