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On the one hand, I think the feature will be very powerful, and it's clear a lot of effort has been put into designing something that fits with the language. On the other hand, however, I share the concerns some have expressed that it is a very complex proposal. I would have more enthusiastically supported one which left out a few "bells and whistles", or moved them to Future Scope to be polished and agreed separately. I hope I was consistent in expressing that during the discussion phase. For that reason, please consider this an "abstention": while I'm reasonably happy for the RFC as written to pass, I am not going to cast a Yes vote myself. Regards, -- Rowan Tommins [IMSoP]