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My main point was not the cost/work itself, but the fact that big concerns should be raised ASAP, and not on the 11th hour, as Robert said. Whether we like it or not, the voting right beholders' concerns should be taken into account with "special attention", because, well... They are the ones that, in the end, decide if your RFC will make it to the language or not. So having no negative feedback or having it only at the last minute before voting is not good at all. I think doing this and voting for a "no" for a feature that was so well received and discussed extensively by the internalians discourages OSS developers from contributing to the language we care so much about. Regards, Erick --000000000000b5718e0615c0db5d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Reminder to not run into a sunk cost fallacy.

=
My main point was not the cost/work itself, but the fact that big conc= erns should be raised ASAP, and not on the 11th hour, as Robert said.
=
Whether we like it or not, the voting right beholders' concerns sh= ould be taken into account with "special attention", because, wel= l...
They are the ones that, in the end, decide if your RFC will = make it to the language or not.
So having no negative feedback or= having it only at the last minute before voting is not good at all.
<= div>I think doing this and voting for a "no" for a feature that w= as so well received and discussed extensively by the internalians discourag= es
OSS developers from contributing to the language we care so mu= ch about.

Regards,
Erick --000000000000b5718e0615c0db5d--