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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?
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> The VSC part from github (hosting our code), can very easily be ported. Issues, discussions etc can not.
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> With the ongoing enshittification of most of the Internet due to advertising and tracking, we'd be negligent not hosting and owning our own content (including our issue tracker, but that ship has sailed now).

PHP actually recently moved from a self-hosted VCS to github due to a hack that compromised php's source code, moving back to a self-hosted instance seems like a downgrade.

However, if that's being discussed, it can be done properly, i.e. with a self-hosted gitlab instance, which also provides issues, projects, CI, basically the full devops experience, that would be the perfect chance to also move the mailing list and php wiki to gitlab (which is how many FOSS projects work currently, I.e. wayland, xorg, mesa, pipewire, asahi use the gitlab.freedesktop.org gitlab instance, arch linux has its own gitlab instance (which is also used for RFCs)).


> Email has been around for half a century. Will things like Slack, Discord, and the like still be operational and allow access to our archives in another 25 years? I'm almost certain it won't be.

No one is proposing to move the issue tracker to discord, slack or telegram: those are messengers, and should not be used as support forums for such a major language, mainly because they're non-indexable.

Regards,
Daniil Gentili


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  <span dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">&gt; The VSC part from github (hosting our code), can very easily be ported. Issues, discussions etc can not.</span>
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  <br><span dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">&gt; With the ongoing enshittification of most of the Internet due to advertising and tracking, we'd be negligent not hosting and owning our own content (including our issue tracker, but that ship has sailed now).</span>
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  <br><span dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">PHP actually recently moved from a self-hosted VCS to github due to a hack that compromised php's source code, moving back to a self-hosted instance seems like a downgrade.</span>
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  <br><span dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">However, if that's being discussed, it can be done properly, i.e. with a self-hosted gitlab instance, which also provides issues, projects, CI, basically the full devops experience, that would be the perfect chance to also move the mailing list and php wiki to gitlab (which is how many FOSS projects work currently, I.e. wayland, xorg, mesa, pipewire, asahi use the gitlab.freedesktop.org gitlab instance, arch linux has its own gitlab instance (which is also used for RFCs)).</span>
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  <br><span dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">&gt; Email has been around for half a century. Will things like Slack, Discord, and the like still be operational and allow access to our archives in another 25 years? I'm almost certain it won't be.</span>
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  <br><span dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">No one is proposing to move the issue tracker to discord, slack or telegram: those are messengers, and should not be used as support forums for such a major language, mainly because they're non-indexable.</span>
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  <br><span dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Regards,</span>
  <br><span dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Daniil Gentili</span>
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