Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:122499 X-Original-To: internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: internals@lists.php.net Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (php-smtp4.php.net [45.112.84.5]) by qa.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C9271AD8F6 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 15:57:03 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=php.net; s=mail; t=1708963030; bh=pjEhXd9qPcuqpYIJRQSY3sDaJbkbFW28HJ3a43usUfE=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:From; b=jpnZA29alDtLuVnoCj1xbZUa/SNzvvR4dTttVhlMwDpLK+/lKpnR4GrnomAuMgqdN x2j2e9gV1a/etoLGkp3pb+92UQLCd2FYP6kbm6QADfxHJZafVPLN5NTSWLhXHNeeTy SWWY6JOuMzSmJ1dLS+wZ/OyZuNLovDctLF48pH9LmJvQ1f24N/6hI6fBpyIWK89YsH idbw3ViBEwY7GntW5aroTF/FYIWaml61hWK0gxicrwWAltpdpOjUUUurGFbqDHoQ+B DlGgI6wKNqSMi5YrzfxB8y5vcAVKK562JePsbQmeFLbC40MmcAT0ZLcn6gw+Fls0fC 9X1RwG85IVhzg== Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7AFD180032 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 15:57:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,DMARC_PASS,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 X-Spam-Virus: Error (Cannot connect to unix socket '/var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl': connect: Connection refused) X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail.gna.ch (mail.gna.ch [212.45.196.109]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 07:57:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkcity.gna.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C4C3A0CFD for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:56:53 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=cschneid.com; s=default; t=1708963013; bh=pjEhXd9qPcuqpYIJRQSY3sDaJbkbFW28HJ3a43usUfE=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To; b=mIuCO4zNXecIOTuDPg6cHBhK4evt/usByyVd3JFMlpPtlmlvcTPbNmqMBUT3E0+49 0CcfjNWHNNzUk8FqFhqWPdc29MDzxwWDDvnx6eFZNoGSW+aDWQ5nnTPJuTXO49Awle rEwQhijse+zjsQ74deXpDMJBuUEhE7GFyxUzXLno= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at example.com Received: from mail.gna.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (darkcity.gna.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4E5Q8K_Ci8Lr for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:56:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [IPv6:2a02:1210:780b:4101:708e:ceaf:b85f:a5e9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by darkcity.gna.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 30DB63A0CF8 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:56:51 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=cschneid.com; s=default; t=1708963012; bh=pjEhXd9qPcuqpYIJRQSY3sDaJbkbFW28HJ3a43usUfE=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To; b=UO72PoZBOK/YFIOnxm71/5tAGHEk0AHpXV6gJ4ojr0uD7kOL+lrVKc4aHufHcVIgd 527eJ6Czy1s16sfoieHkoEv2mlKMbOSEyMNg1AhYf1CSFY272rdrycRP9NaQ3/4+cb yCNWZnNOiUHGLHDkesifXajjThtvzywnlt5Lxjio= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk list-help: list-post: List-Id: internals.lists.php.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.400.31\)) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on? Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:56:50 +0100 References: <112488a9-aaa6-4d85-9056-a4581a3cda21@app.fastmail.com> <25262CFA-6619-4884-83A1-018821523DDC@cschneid.com> <3b11b939-d364-4f4d-ab4f-c633dd1b13f6@daniil.it> To: php internals In-Reply-To: <3b11b939-d364-4f4d-ab4f-c633dd1b13f6@daniil.it> Message-ID: <4EBC1DBD-BC30-4FD6-B341-F22314E6F165@cschneid.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.400.31) From: cschneid@cschneid.com (Christian Schneider) Am 26.02.2024 um 14:25 schrieb Daniil Gentili : > I really don't think that a modern discussion system can afford to = randomly loose messages: mailing lists should not be used in 2024. Just because Gmail decided to tighten the rules about SPF/DKIM just now = does not mean email is broken or loses messages on a regular basis. Repeating it does not make it true, let's agree to disagree. Regards, - Chris