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> And no, I don't like discussion forums like reddit or Discord either.

Discord should be completely out of question, given that it is 
non-indexable by search engines (btw, technically this mailing list 
isn't indexable either without projects like externals.io).

> Writing to the amount of people following php internals should be done with some consideration and more social media type of platforms unfortunately - in my experience - tend to encourage noise.

As I mentioned in my other reply in this thread, IMO sending an email is 
not a gigantic barrier to entry, as can be seen by the often low 
(technical and overall) quality of the replies to many of the threads on 
this list.

Personally, I do not think that gatekeeping (!) and spam-prevention are 
a good reason to keep using a broken and outdated system like mailing 
lists in 2024.

Large projects like PHP will still inevitably attract attention, 
regardless of whether github or mailing lists are used; I personally 
dislike mailing lists not because they are difficult to use, but because 
they are simply broken: every time I had to deal with any mailing list, 
including this one, I had both incoming and outgoing deliverability 
issues related either to DKIM/DMARC, both on gmaill and zoho mail on a 
custom domain, or some other issue caused by modern anti-spam measures 
that mailing lists do not account for.

I really don't think that a modern discussion system can afford to 
randomly loose messages: mailing lists should not be used in 2024.

Regards,

Daniil Gentili.

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      <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">And no, I don't like discussion forums like reddit or Discord either. </pre>
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    <p>Discord should be completely out of question, given that it is
      non-indexable by search engines (btw, technically this mailing
      list isn't indexable either without projects like externals.io).<br>
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    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">&gt; Writing to the amount of people following php internals should be done with some consideration and more social media type of platforms unfortunately - in my experience - tend to encourage noise.
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    <p>As I mentioned in my other reply in this thread, IMO sending an
      email is not a gigantic barrier to entry, as can be seen by the
      often low (technical and overall) quality of the replies to many
      of the threads on this list.</p>
    <p>Personally, I do not think that gatekeeping (!) and
      spam-prevention are a good reason to keep using a broken and
      outdated system like mailing lists in 2024.</p>
    <p>Large projects like PHP will still inevitably attract attention,
      regardless of whether github or mailing lists are used; I
      personally dislike mailing lists not because they are difficult to
      use, but because they are simply broken: every time I had to deal
      with any mailing list, including this one, I had both incoming and
      outgoing deliverability issues related either to DKIM/DMARC, both
      on gmaill and zoho mail on a custom domain, or some other issue
      caused by modern anti-spam measures that mailing lists do not
      account for.</p>
    <p> I really don't think that a modern discussion system can afford
      to randomly loose messages: mailing lists should not be used in
      2024.</p>
    <p>Regards,</p>
    <p>Daniil Gentili.<br>
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