Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:122497 X-Original-To: internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: internals@lists.php.net Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (php-smtp4.php.net [45.112.84.5]) by qa.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 313761AD8F6 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 12:51:44 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=php.net; s=mail; t=1708951911; bh=jfnUjceIFIVZssrk9mViIq9OspU2lWeIAe9YtlL86mI=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:From; b=gOHNjZTygy41WCH17DlGOa2khgbNPwgPaNQu9WXNvYGEdcM7fWcSldueWfif63buq /OpDMB2kATTjecCXjfO34x2txWklZ8kiaVaVhZQ/ybuY0+zhsywMWfcTTOp/PNXigP ROySwmKfvjaFHTt0Samml2mZSgzaOErGd010+GDFvC76O04Ez11w0S/sbXNcEjd+QR NF3ADiyeSXHM1/jjSwIYP6StRV73L8hMT6zv3q7A5PjjoZ7399iD2/1m+U+mMu3Aac S0kpDSOiBKQyabpn8qIgRWMfzzEgA+RchiOBZ8we7omB6vl7SSlFUU13QlkxTgj71w Tc/hB0wD09FWA== Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3241801D5 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 12:51:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,DMARC_PASS,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 X-Spam-Virus: Error (Cannot connect to unix socket '/var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl': connect: Connection refused) X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail.gna.ch (mail.gna.ch [212.45.196.109]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 04:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkcity.gna.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E57D3A0DA8 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 13:51:37 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=cschneid.com; s=default; t=1708951897; bh=jfnUjceIFIVZssrk9mViIq9OspU2lWeIAe9YtlL86mI=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To; b=UKSEgi6ZZsvUwS9Z36M1kwlOwtNCzOXtM49i/B3CC8Q+9e3+sWJQQdgkxvcfU2KYp RxRg9RdmZJS9XP0d+/E9CsNanXD9HrPofQzVWoGYbxk9W4BuikZB1Wmka5BCJcqoK2 vJLq0+j1FCS82RHmSGm6MTvE3bBRvFiTyCDCEG6k= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at example.com Received: from mail.gna.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (darkcity.gna.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d6mRR4Z2GSW8 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 13:51:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [IPv6:2a02:1210:780b:4101:708e:ceaf:b85f:a5e9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by darkcity.gna.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EF2F13A0CF8 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 13:51:35 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=cschneid.com; s=default; t=1708951896; bh=jfnUjceIFIVZssrk9mViIq9OspU2lWeIAe9YtlL86mI=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To; b=rCQ+UP/CFg4ChFGsZIxkfoQkXefwNKEL3SJG7s7KiNkL4t+qEzTg0h5DQR1MpkMNT FMQQiMa84J8rr2/My9d5AKo+cOa6tNVuUhsymt6YuapIscJkku/rSxsKdflvTrt5mz 6LeyO3cQ4J1UCoBTMCteJ1a+arLjHSwvXEwPMNj0= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk list-help: list-post: List-Id: internals.lists.php.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.400.31\)) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on? Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 13:51:35 +0100 References: <112488a9-aaa6-4d85-9056-a4581a3cda21@app.fastmail.com> To: php internals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <25262CFA-6619-4884-83A1-018821523DDC@cschneid.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.400.31) From: cschneid@cschneid.com (Christian Schneider) Am 26.02.2024 um 10:56 schrieb Daniil Gentili : >> gmail is failing to send emails to the list (hence why it has = probably been a bit quite around here). Here is the error: > +1, personally I would just switch to github issues and discussions, = even ignoring all the deliverability issues, I don't think using a = mailing list is a good idea for a modern programming language, seeking = new contributors and new ideas in 2024.=20 > VCS was already moved to github after the recent hack of the php VCS, = a lot of technical internals-related discussion is already using = exclusively github issues and pull request discussions, I believe that = the mailing list is nothing more than a redundant relic of the past. I very much disagree as I still prefer email to having discussions in = issues or PRs. It is still the sweet spot for me with easy of use and = feature support from a modern email client. Issues and PRs are IMHO suited for bugs, feature requests and other code = changes, not for discussions. And no, I don't like discussion forums like reddit or Discord either. = Writing to the amount of people following php internals should be done = with some consideration and more social media type of platforms = unfortunately - in my experience - tend to encourage noise. Just my $.02, - Chris