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Precedence: bulk list-help: list-post: List-Id: internals.lists.php.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4_10399670.1708612556823" X-Correlation-ID: <55ffced9-895e-4336-bd0f-3b1c09401f5e@gmail.com> From: daniil.gentili@gmail.com (Daniil Gentili) ------=_Part_4_10399670.1708612556823 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > If I'm using gmail and not getting emails, how many other people are > also not getting emails on this list? > Same here, with both gmail and zoho mail. Personally I would switch to github issues and discussions, even ignoring all the deliverability issues which I had even before the switch to the new mailing list server on my zoho mail daniil@daniil.it account, I don't think using a mailing list is a good idea for a modern programming language, seeking new contributors and new ideas in 2024. VCS was already moved to github after the recent hack of the php VCS, a lot of technical internals-related discussion is already using exclusively github issues and pull request discussions, I believe that the mailing list is nothing more than a redundant relic of the past. Regards, Daniil Gentili ------=_Part_4_10399670.1708612556823 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > If I'm using gmail and not getting emails, how many other people are
> also not getting emails on this list?
>

Same here, with both gmail and zoho mail.

Personally I would switch to github issues and discussions, even ignoring all the deliverability issues which I had even before the switch to the new mailing list server on my zoho mail daniil@daniil.it account, I don't think using a mailing list is a good idea for a modern programming language, seeking new contributors and new ideas in 2024.

VCS was already moved to github after the recent hack of the php VCS, a lot of technical internals-related discussion is already using exclusively github issues and pull request discussions, I believe that the mailing list is nothing more than a redundant relic of the past.

Regards,
Daniil Gentili
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