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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 09:05:22 -0500
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] What's up with emails?
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From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans)

On 22 February 2024 08:52:49 GMT-05:00, Robert Landers <landers=2Erobert@gm=
ail=2Ecom> wrote:
>I have noticed quite a number of emails appearing on externals but not
>appearing in my inbox=2E I randomly get an email saying:
>
>Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the <internals@lists=2Ephp=2Enet>
>mailing list=2E
>
>Some messages to you could not be delivered=2E If you're seeing this
>message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
>information=2E
>
>Here is the list of the bounced messages:
>- 122446
>- 122448
>
>But I can clearly see far more than that in externals that are never rece=
ived=2E
>
>IIRC from the email spec and internet customs, soft-bounces should be
>retried for a number of days (though I have no idea why gmail
>soft-bounced the messages, maybe rate-limiting?)=2E
>
>If I'm using gmail and not getting emails, how many other people are
>also not getting emails on this list?


Lots=2E

Gmail is rejecting emails after we moved the servers without telling us wh=
y, in enough detail to do anything about it=2E

We can put a delay in delivering to Gmail, but that means mails get delaye=
d for days=2E

So my advice would for now to not rely on Gmail while we figure out how to=
 improve this=2E

cheers
Derick