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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2024 12:37:33 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Feature request: https://github.com/php/php-src/issues/13301
From: arvids.godjuks@gmail.com (Arvids Godjuks)

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On Thu, Feb 8, 2024, 12:12 Alexander Pravdin <alex.pravdin@interi.co> wrote=
:

> On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 6:25=E2=80=AFPM =D0=93=D1=80=D0=B8=D0=B3=D0=BE=D1=
=80=D0=B8=D0=B9 Senior PHP / =D0=A0=D0=B0=D0=B7=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B1=D0=BE=D1=
=82=D1=87=D0=B8=D0=BA Web
> <6562680@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > PHPStan is out the case.
> >
>
> May I know why is it out?
>
> I'm actively using it in my projects and it helps me a lot to not
> relax and write safe code. It also helps a lot in cleaning up legacy
> code. Sometimes I find places in the legacy code where the logic is
> too hard to understand in a reasonable amount of time, but they're
> rare. These places can be enveloped with additional logging with no
> problem.
>
> I'm referring to your initial use case about collecting errors and I'm
> suggesting a good tool to solve it. You may start from lower assertion
> levels in PHPStan and gradually increase the level to be not ruined by
> tons of errors at a time. Of course, I don't know your situation. But
> what I do in such cases - is explain to the business the problem and
> what steps are required to improve the situation. So the business is
> aware of it, the business should not have false impressions about the
> code and false expectations from me. Just prefer to be open and tell
> the truth. Not prefer to be a yes-man and promise speedy magic
> solutions. I'm a professional developer and if I'm asked to do some
> crappy coding regularly, I would prefer to leave such a job. My
> selling point is to produce high-quality well-architected code.
>
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If I understood references correctly, it's actually simple - they work at
an outsourcing company of some sorts that has a project conveyor - 13
projects in paralel was mentioned. And clients refuse to pay to do things
right or do upkeep/maintenance on their assets and so on. That's why it's
easier to ask for a feature here than do the work themselves on the
applications they are supporting. Nobody cares except the developers who
have to deal with it and are being told to fix it somehow or get fired.

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