Newsgroups: php.internals
Path: news.php.net
Xref: news.php.net php.internals:122303
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <CAK=iT=UrMCPw5ydCnxa_87ws6xKRO5Y3qJnmchczgDds8u660A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABigaAUjSx3-vEaQhPk-toJTSg+J3CLrO3otpm1g6hqbYyQKvw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAK=iT=WgsEZjyu3Y2wTWvycqCsYH7MrLsZgERZK3u75U08ePpA@mail.gmail.com> <CAL0xaBHfEMs1BVAMZOuFCUpb9orNSRD0YDhu=3wJAGK7K0_=dg@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAL0xaBHfEMs1BVAMZOuFCUpb9orNSRD0YDhu=3wJAGK7K0_=dg@mail.gmail.com>
	=?UTF-8?B?Yg==?= <6562680@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2024 19:08:34 +0300
Message-ID: <CAK=iT=XDVcs+y4XDmGu2re137i2yD9LiEj1-HLvyxxxrb8jFUw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Arvids Godjuks <arvids.godjuks@gmail.com>, internals@lists.php.net
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007869780610b8cca3"
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Feature request: https://github.com/php/php-src/issues/13301
From: 6562680@gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JPRgNC40LPQvtGA0LjQuSBTZW5pb3IgUEhQIC8g0KDQsNC30YDQsNCx0L7RgtGH0LjQuiBXZQ==?==?UTF-8?B?Yg==?=)

--0000000000007869780610b8cca3
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My function seems like this:

```
_error_bag_error(error) {
  if (stack.errorBag) {
     stack.errorBag.add(error);
  }
}
```

It does nothing if i didn't initialize the error bag manually.
I should call _error_bag() inside the current function to create one in the
stack, or _error_bag_push() (and then _error_bag_pop()) outside the
function to collect children.

Doctrine's main problem is the dreadnought that throws low level exceptions
and forces developers to spend weeks to understand "wow, that's the way it
should be". Funny but painful. For one small benefit - reducing the count
of queries by unique insertions/deletions, maybe 10% of queries are removed=
.

=D0=B2=D1=82, 6 =D1=84=D0=B5=D0=B2=D1=80. 2024=E2=80=AF=D0=B3. =D0=B2 18:54=
, Arvids Godjuks <arvids.godjuks@gmail.com>:

> JavaScript is JavaScript - it's not a good role model to look at. If
> anything, JavaScript is a collection of things of how not to design a
> language :)
>
> What you are looking for is Golang.
>
> The level of changes you are proposing require it to go thriugh an RFC
> process, have 2/3rds of voters to agree to it. Tland that is after a
> feasibility study is even done - engine might not even allow to implement
> such thi g and require exte sive modifications for a thing that should be
> done on application level to begin with.
>
> And memory usage is one of the biggest points against it - engine allowin=
g
> to store I side it arbitrary data that is logged by application on a
> per-request level is just a bad idea. People will shove megabytes of logs
> into it in a loop and them file reports "why is php using 2 GB of RAM?" -
> this is literally a daily question you get woth relation to Doctrine when
> people try to run bulk operations, do not disable trace logger and them r=
un
> into the memory limit.
>
>
> What you are proposing is a footgun at it's finest and PHP has a rich
> history of those and we have learned from the experience as a community.
> Things like this are left to the userland. There are many libraries that
> help handle this.
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2024, 17:35 =D0=93=D1=80=D0=B8=D0=B3=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=B8=D0=
=B9 Senior PHP / =D0=A0=D0=B0=D0=B7=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B1=D0=BE=D1=82=D1=87=D0=
=B8=D0=BA Web <
> 6562680@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Javascript is closer to.
>>
>> It allows you to throw anything, but it is still the throw statement,
>> keeping in the mind the async nature of js - memory and processor stuff =
is
>> shared by the time.
>>
>> JS seniors usually hate those guys who throw anything except language
>> Error
>> class because they skipped the mandatory level of programming - OOP. The=
y
>> are now taking fun from it. We're tired of OOP for now. Once you work wi=
th
>> batches/queue/bulks you need pipelines and chaining, and there's a throw
>> works only to stop any certain tasks and almost immediately catch the ne=
xt
>> line. So `throw` is required to be safe-shield, but solves not enough
>> count
>> of cases.
>>
>> Old, maybe 10 years ago, Fowler's article about "errors is not an
>> exception". He explained why, but recommend to implement own error bag. =
I
>> tried few times implement own error bag on production ready code. And th=
is
>> is the hell of rewriting full nesting tree and carrying that return
>> statement to upper level again and again, then you start to get confused=
,
>> then you rewrite all return to objects with properties/getters/setters,
>> then you understand your PHPStorm started to lag because of 70 uses in
>> class... Better to use global error bag stack that you can enable or
>> disable for your needs outside function ("in controller", GRASP) or insi=
de
>> function directly like old good times $errors[] and if ($errors) { retur=
n
>> null; }
>>
>>
>> =D0=B2=D1=82, 6 =D1=84=D0=B5=D0=B2=D1=80. 2024=E2=80=AF=D0=B3. =D0=B2 18=
:23, Alex Wells <autaut03@gmail.com>:
>>
>> > On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 3:58=E2=80=AFPM =D0=93=D1=80=D0=B8=D0=B3=D0=BE=
=D1=80=D0=B8=D0=B9 Senior PHP / =D0=A0=D0=B0=D0=B7=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B1=D0=BE=
=D1=82=D1=87=D0=B8=D0=BA Web <
>> > 6562680@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> - add non-breakable interface and language construct `raise` to "thro=
w"
>> >> error without collecting trace
>> >> - that error could be any scalar or object, or you can implement new
>> >> interface for them, keeping that is nested and taggable array
>> >> - this `raise` could be catched same way as \Throwable allowing log i=
t
>> >> anywhere you need or re-`raise` again
>> >> - `raise` statement won't start to collapse/break code, so it could b=
e
>> >> skipped without affecting application
>> >>
>> >
>> > Is there an existing language that does that, having both exceptions a=
nd
>> > these silent raise statements?
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> +375 (29) 676-48-68 <+375296764868> / Mobile - =D0=BF=D1=80=D0=B5=D0=B4=
=D0=BF=D0=BE=D1=87=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=B5=D0=BC=D1=8B=D0=B9 =D1=81=D0=BF=
=D0=BE=D1=81=D0=BE=D0=B1 =D1=81=D0=B2=D1=8F=D0=B7=D0=B8
>> https://t.me/gzhegow / https://t.me/%2B375296764868 / Telegram
>> 6562680@gmail.com
>>
>

--=20
+375 (29) 676-48-68 <+375296764868> / Mobile - =D0=BF=D1=80=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=
=BF=D0=BE=D1=87=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=B5=D0=BC=D1=8B=D0=B9 =D1=81=D0=BF=D0=
=BE=D1=81=D0=BE=D0=B1 =D1=81=D0=B2=D1=8F=D0=B7=D0=B8
https://t.me/gzhegow / https://t.me/%2B375296764868 / Telegram
6562680@gmail.com

--0000000000007869780610b8cca3--