Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:122204 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 14890 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2024 21:56:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2024 21:56:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=php.net; s=mail; t=1705874252; bh=G0wgEf+wvCohBrrxjtt8PB5rwrZAe92WBNutkXFPMUQ=; h=References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:Subject:To:From; b=LYYT23RqwaZ51VC72WpeNFY75v4ktVHmjOAl2qiyw2mL5eyYQnVXfTR9eRyRBemq0 nPJxDzv7sy7RgsrcqLYjb3ePkLiwJupeHNLZkMIshq32Kr2prKafoA2jmkffjmzBgU qWISItioJ9BkTLuTo9BEWZRLkOrQ1J7ha7P3sLmy1EZqcBBrx13NZhujDS6ikZqwJz 5fLNE1OA7GyAEpl0g1TH2pc7Yt9b0R8Upjqpgu6zIBZc8EHJUuRsz0aoot44t6Ndfm tKw6H3RkQUK42uAaDtaYyXwqzR5gpF5tUzlvlqyEh1bJ1g1tioWmBeQy92RiEp2r8s p/Ckx4M2jwQEA== Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E9D180054 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2024 13:57:31 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,DMARC_PASS,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-qv1-f54.google.com (mail-qv1-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2024 13:57:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qv1-f54.google.com with SMTP id 6a1803df08f44-68183d4e403so16921876d6.1 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2024 13:56:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1705874207; x=1706479007; darn=lists.php.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=G0wgEf+wvCohBrrxjtt8PB5rwrZAe92WBNutkXFPMUQ=; b=OMtyayvqYon+n8+A6j2WPIjthJaTuOuhyBWMaK9VkGGx3yuyqxa/YLB4az2lxIswJi IrHOH0gHD+MqrgtlVau9oBlmoDlJf76/pE7jY61LM4tlkYpgx/J0Hi0BqbvZXaKxbuBX efFz4UA97Hhfyf31Q4I3Z90FDUwFWeClzqjwRR84awnI/MQksmiipyEdEvDnftfD/wmC dbJ/LMP0YulCUF3p+A2UF0LNTZqfGsn8/UGObsYHaXjEnHjl/aolC5VCcbgERaGCM2mj DB5X0t1ci5S5nd2wiUAHSTXFaGV0wrBSE2vM7++NnFVl2S5A3lDkP+wRUFC++5uOVD7D L/VQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1705874207; x=1706479007; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=G0wgEf+wvCohBrrxjtt8PB5rwrZAe92WBNutkXFPMUQ=; b=JUzpN3AVmcGIKXBMvUPH9CsT2Tx8urTzPcTCsED2JmEQtOVhuvV+P5iE2BbdpohOQD S+lYm1lzsqMZGXmNuYyuhRXFvHASdOlZOBkqTn+s5NbomgC4H5ZQtxVQQv0NtbKZHU6+ NaPuPdwkK4uwsTV1u2zQ9I8UZIFfM8F4i22oVFxth3OgWLQCIpDWFHnpFhX+o+j1E5vV xNhL8MpdAlSRguMpRBnfxxdAZYS95qGpx0MIna+uGta3kzK6hzeDt7AiepWreVvnxXei WrST372ZuYobdznilM400TxxnvlWOxaKBWPDrE7slCRf4ZRuYfXs/8rJJq7OYjGp2eBY dOHw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyWJq+P+sYTKXZlqJ6L/wyDVhJDZnDh7gwg6LEMX9e+oe6tsc+n B6Dfu0KWjRSb8aB7shZRGJ5/hHE12f7w0O7P+l9Cn5rDZDYp8EquQWXhnLaZu133Yd4gIPT1BWp sXdPj1A9UYNFjB21JU2IbnR++rxBteWwppcOd2w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGwgK8rsAZzhWsJrkpqlrao9vysqVb1+EER0ky3fYg5Hn4+XABdO1/1IlCTgoWO86v56NfnQgE0RfNc6r71qFY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:202c:b0:685:3e97:295b with SMTP id 12-20020a056214202c00b006853e97295bmr4067561qvf.99.1705874207501; Sun, 21 Jan 2024 13:56:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2024 22:56:36 +0100 Message-ID: To: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Wiki Access request From: tovilo.ilija@gmail.com (Ilija Tovilo) Hi Carlos! On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 4:56=E2=80=AFPM Barel wro= te: > > This page in the Wiki https://wiki.php.net/internals/references has a lot > of links which are outdated and should be removed or changed. If you can > provide wiki edit access for me I can work on updating them and also try = to > find more recent links to add to that reference page (suggestions welcome= !!) > > My username for the wiki site is "barelon" in case this is needed I can absolutely give you write access to these pages. Updating this list to reflect more up-to-date resources certainly makes sense. As you probably know, there are a number of different places where php internals are documented, and I think that, long-term, it makes sense to try to consolidate these efforts. We briefly spoke about this in the last foundation meeting. We have some documentation in the php-src repository itself, a significant amount in the php internals book (https://www.phpinternalsbook.com/), some in the wiki, some on blogs of current or previous contributors, etc. There are a number of things that are important when it comes to documentation, like convenience, access, history, discoverability, etc. While not the worst, I don't think the wiki is the best place for this work. Handling documentation directly through Git in PHPs main repository (or at least a repository in the PHP organization) would likely tick the most boxes. Providing documentation with PRs might also improve the understanding of intention of the changes for reviewers. As for links to other references, I believe the CONTRIBUTING.md file is currently the most up-to-date. https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#technical-resour= ces Rather than duplicating this list on the wiki, it might make sense to reference the CONTRIBUTING.md file, and extend it as necessary. Ilija