Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:121986 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 74421 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2023 16:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2023 16:21:12 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C3B180003 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 08:21:26 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,DMARC_MISSING,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 08:21:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48883202073 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 11:21:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from imap50 ([10.202.2.100]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 11 Dec 2023 11:21:07 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= garfieldtech.com; h=cc:content-type:content-type:date:date:from :from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm1; t=1702311667; x= 1702398067; bh=Qp5kNUesqeqxsPxzKJgKSnoLrNLY48ngFvf8DsTNH40=; b=Q amVXxP/Av6Axyc1oLiKR6OvZ1iXzm6U+E6z7keIRsAlrYovucYzPGWwJDaK6QXQP ms8sNnNH9MTfPi5rzx20EnqX+WmRnVAk6gocRz6k+zDuDhDFUj2ICuIihPGarrJC XcKvLwECYAXmSSqCKLbDPXLKNuADteeTk3pZV8sl7cl0WnQXBhdIOghZHqApOrEc l78P0z6dGjMP0e/ftDzjCAk01GY81z8wIwXAz05Wgxu6voUjnzBaFtZSXZ4pU6s6 VlEctMdihnrF/NNAr9dNfawk3+dD+/8W1Q5CdnmL3oH74/Wai3/IF3vFj/4Xdsfj eYFQ3gqk3XVW1HilyQ3ew== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:content-type:date:date :feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject :subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t=1702311667; x=1702398067; bh=Qp5kNUesqeqxs PxzKJgKSnoLrNLY48ngFvf8DsTNH40=; b=EVuNd/QKvQspii7N20wws1vZGIAMg 9xouxB+YOIcBXxIn4XNyhKa6ckukvNT1luqZQYI2dis5HOvxCn1fx5U2TyNj8PPU 3riDLd6oO2VWlDtql9kzx6hKUewGTMzfzrVN/FFfA9XyJVXIi0wnD4rpdrxhTnvQ d6fQ2++IhU71nsh5yagrclK5N0V+UOh8RseTiBVOsEGZUYrqJ1zIc7gN9sgG+/GN EdOaQXjMRF/ggRVzOxfyJGAwM47RF5AL4ljKGegbQ2/I/mA8KiILltPegcLn2rut 7zftcJ51NPvBHOOgL94n6lnyKuooEa1RNoEIbnh7hiKtjCVpLu9YMrsSw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedrudelvddgkeelucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepofgfggfkjghffffhvffutgesthdtredtreertdenucfhrhhomhepfdfnrghr rhihucfirghrfhhivghlugdfuceolhgrrhhrhiesghgrrhhfihgvlhguthgvtghhrdgtoh hmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeeglefgkeduiedvvdetffeujefftdfhjeeiveehgfff keduveektddvledvvdfffeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmh grihhlfhhrohhmpehlrghrrhihsehgrghrfhhivghlughtvggthhdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i8414410d:Fastmail Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id EFC121700089; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 11:21:06 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.9.0-alpha0-1178-geeaf0069a7-fm-20231114.001-geeaf0069 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0b25cbe2-1986-c499-defc-a556114853df@php.net> References: <8d4bcca5-a2ce-5ee1-1aed-02076539433a@php.net> <0b25cbe2-1986-c499-defc-a556114853df@php.net> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 16:20:45 +0000 To: "php internals" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] New "PECL" From: larry@garfieldtech.com ("Larry Garfield") On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, at 9:46 AM, Derick Rethans wrote: > Yeah, I understand. And I feel the same. But if there is no registry (a > goal), then there is no way to find out which of your extension version > support a specific PHP version, without checking every tag in your > repository. That's not going to be fast. > > cheers, > Derick See, I think I disagree on this point. Having a registry is table-stakes for package managers these days. Composer, npm/yarn, whatever Python does this week, Cargo, Bundle, Maven/Gradle... a packager isn't complete without a registry. The one exception is Go, and its approach is... just a mess, frankly. Whether PECLtng piggybacks on Packagist, self-hosts using something like Satis, or does a home-grown thing, I don't think a neo-PECL without a registry is a viable and sustainable way forward. That needs to be in the initial design. --Larry Garfield