Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:121734 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 34347 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2023 20:40:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2023 20:40:34 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD256180040 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2023 12:40:36 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,DMARC_PASS,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-lj1-f181.google.com (mail-lj1-f181.google.com [209.85.208.181]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2023 12:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lj1-f181.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2c5b7764016so58686001fa.1 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2023 12:40:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1700512832; x=1701117632; darn=lists.php.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:references :in-reply-to:user-agent:subject:to:from:date:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=xbV4Y8nq2eipyeUaSvLGG1fWEJI2TXXTEnTv0W4t30Q=; b=CbZB+SqiX0HD6Ni0qN62xB+2EaSMEzuHldlJJusoFiF8rQYpbQAqFhxbWRLknGxf7C Bm47uNFWm9Hws+0SZIKdNUG6RaV+6EpUGo0oh6xgsJc3rRaUWpPzibp9LYvk1jgMxVUD 6yLCMxa/H9clRBD6YE9hLxRfzdsZIpVyaAUvPbS1WKhHXK4OOjqNrQU6Nuan7b5Rdbha j3oM/9/p+XnazArPvK7Fn02zjp7FV+RWVd0stHcD8J/+zpGxEr/Qo0kNQ1rWudZnWYau khM1vyhJI+qA97YGRa/adnXDEGFNBsxAu7Im0uSYznuQ15GsFM2VLZDjKXb9QOykKko3 4TaA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1700512832; x=1701117632; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:references :in-reply-to:user-agent:subject:to:from:date:x-gm-message-state:from :to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=xbV4Y8nq2eipyeUaSvLGG1fWEJI2TXXTEnTv0W4t30Q=; b=H/X1WA/ms2YDhi0btsslcZzty8umzc4CtvSu2X7X52HuHl8aoDtC4fn+Ea3QNDDVGJ 22yu4qIhPhtnDT26nnmeQ/qpdgLqWyy8IvdNrvqT87urOS3OAwS/D4ayePQJvOawTvdh mVwEXTj1zSwX9ozLiY+yXkJB3J/E8izL30c42s4QmC2vFNVP2ekZQ3FD9yBA2r24qEqB i1xqnt2K5BBqE/x6WwTUaxFr5IkZ87znf2LWrhmC6znsTLOBXlIdy/M1pu1CDO5foNBM r5P/nRqkj9Cv1agwBevIkBUC0ljJo457aXbrMKiRnH89aree5m/CnwNCMAn8FaMVr9JP yxVw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxJigmwMR8KXE5AT9tSoIot6/RSEgIT2ZExJWhJVC6p5eSsuNog BctwPYDD5kY0TzJh6ghZ1O532nxyMYk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IESZJLlMRo3mBsJuz1vEijkpHh75AxXWG3Mj06mDickUBQBVJOZVDKAzlMnNh353kBnxqDNkA== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9144:0:b0:2c8:35fb:af08 with SMTP id q4-20020a2e9144000000b002c835fbaf08mr6604666ljg.30.1700512831681; Mon, 20 Nov 2023 12:40:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (cpc83311-brig21-2-0-cust191.3-3.cable.virginm.net. [86.20.40.192]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n13-20020a05600c500d00b004083996dad8sm19145911wmr.18.2023.11.20.12.40.30 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Nov 2023 12:40:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 20:40:29 +0000 To: PHP Internals User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <79d675e3-95b4-40bb-baf4-3e1c998f5390@online-presence.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC Proposal - static modifier for classes From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Tommins) On 20 November 2023 18:53:50 GMT, Deleu wrote: >> It's probably not productive to just say "the people who voted last tim= e >> are wrong", but it was long enough ago that a new RFC on the topic woul= dn't >> break any rules=2E > > >9 years is long enough to conclude that whatever happens, they weren't >really wrong back then=2E=20 Absolutely; to make sure the point is clear, I meant that just saying "the= y were wrong", or even "they would be wrong if they said that now" is not a= *sufficient* argument=2E You either need to explain *why* the situation ha= s changed, or *why* the arguments were not sufficiently considered in the f= irst place=2E Regards, --=20 Rowan Tommins [IMSoP]