Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:121294 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 78052 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2023 02:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2023 02:26:01 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CEDA180041 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2023 19:26:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS20473 216.128.176.0/20 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail.online-presence.ca (online-presence.ca [216.128.176.244]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2023 19:26:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=online-presence.ca; s=default; t=1697163957; bh=JFGl5CNrl7PG3JQAS78orP8tBwY0YA9qZZyIWcEa+UY=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=KeUO41+je7IVXAVqBscpKWDEad4KDhyIlk19dwVJYXBdjFGi2+QORjRpPn4oFtOE1 +Vtwa8lTCq1GHuOyE+6trnvPPiQTptFRGP2M+ywdLC+Kk6iYisM4+T8wlWh3Dmd5Pc EgACN+PVZw9e1PDkMmk7L2piWakzqmplwzc10a93xp9YlD2ytNm530iVMjdNGTVQ+a zqPJnf22rMuMrr8CU2uRCYw4bbRmSU5hAN6nrVEPNBnQA/WkzYDWUjrUpswoLsGIZc ltBYH/mdALtbW/khhYYew3vH4rPClGfoZW+7HGl9ciucaheRNcLM8CaJIb7OVGSnt6 u/6E3GA5ZQyrQ== Received: from [10.0.0.211] (S01064075c3d865eb.ed.shawcable.net [70.74.109.64]) (Authenticated sender: lanre@online-presence.ca) by mail.online-presence.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C1A2A10594A for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:25:57 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <94635758-0be7-8fab-e43a-6f6b929af1e7@online-presence.ca> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 20:25:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.15.1 Content-Language: en-US To: internals@lists.php.net References: <0b72d5e0-94dc-8837-bfd4-d2e24ab9db05@online-presence.ca> Organization: Online Presence In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Why did fibers get added to php core over something more fleshed out like swoole? From: lanre@online-presence.ca (Lanre Waju) Can you provide insights into the "significant number of people" who support the current system without concerns? It appears that you might be representing a substantial portion of such individuals. I did attempt to explore the mailing list discussions, but they did not yield conclusive answers, which is why I felt it was necessary to inquire directly. I hold no preconceived biases on this matter; I'm seeking a better understanding of the issue and the perspectives surrounding it. Lanre On 2023-10-12 7:30 p.m., Jordan LeDoux wrote: > On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 6:00 PM Lanre Waju wrote: > >> It sometimes seems as though certain choices may not align with the best >> interests of the PHP community. I would appreciate it if you could >> provide insights into why this might not be the case. >> >> > To find out why Fibers was done instead of something like Swoole, I'd > suggest reading the mailing list discussions on those. That was a > discussion that DID happen on list, and you can read about it there without > us rehashing it for no particular reason. > > The way you ended this email though is very "guilty until proven innocent", > and I think it's unlikely you're going to get many responses based on the > way you phrased this and the implied accusation it entails. > > This is coming from someone who has their own reservations about how PHP > voting is conducted. It's a discussion that very few people want to have > because of how drawn out and heated it is likely to be, and the fact that a > significant number of people don't see any problem with the current system. > Trying to start that conversation with "it seems obviously broken, prove me > wrong" sounds like just about the worst framing that discussion could have > if you want it to be productive. > > Jordan >