Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:121070 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 64258 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2023 16:06:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2023 16:06:07 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735C0180341 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2023 09:06:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-ed1-f50.google.com (mail-ed1-f50.google.com [209.85.208.50]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2023 09:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ed1-f50.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-52f3ba561d9so5022258a12.1 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2023 09:05:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1694793957; x=1695398757; darn=lists.php.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:from:references:to :content-language:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :sender:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=EPSoom5dlAzrdQJqi7+z0I9IQqcRGgxjE8BTnsXnZNk=; b=mfA7sxZ4VBN5ffp1FytAAgAt4u5rli78c6dODJ1rOPUsws3Fx5OmkaPGE17CSKE3Tk OAoQMvJ2MhXPWvHiA/5iEUHRWIrzjTWK7tXza8ViMTZ9P4roh8B47+/i2noXpmW4mF72 qRHzfWnA6CzseARBF/w+jG3JYFIqXNHfaPYQV0ts5rCtMdVpO5+RH1H1ldj+WBmrshoy 2tr5W88idf8POjX4qhCZWDo/sKayuKZ3oXoQr6tw70g3Zlr2r+PfNO5BboRoU1C6DZzE AsFq6gX9PxeJi4NcsSbSl1N/x0Kq6T/y1c/v8MCbRvycTy/jamJrIpr+8KLmLwevlZeV Ucag== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1694793957; x=1695398757; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:from:references:to :content-language:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :sender:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=EPSoom5dlAzrdQJqi7+z0I9IQqcRGgxjE8BTnsXnZNk=; b=qBsZJmqKsniD/T0+Iql3uRRAX0Ck3JU5snDJSmUBEJC9LG3jYc/AzD/2W+5j4gvk0B 3Ah1j/zSL/SF7YyAdIu+Tw1z5xpOYz5uXT+GbNOxpthfPtEqdh0of/6iz+6HfyNuLTAE GJNi9pj9Muvqh4SAgdO7LEQnTywP007N/E89Sy7LKETr045QrWcwGvVfBVH7xzi/9+Gr WjdXz+b2b84ImCBnx1zBpR+nPgMttafidRInnigdccdYQC1ZBwxDuzOKshmG4xBScUG7 0YZj+a/2pTAfivUFwCvBAAFx9I3Vg0Zf0x7LruRLjllB8MbpwzEf9BRAHZX77VOSqRxo SdAA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyU75cfNy34qGgZ/9588XDZP0yxbaHsktAAdA2YnUwJZORlv69R 5+fBiZoOyy+G6ts66taqccMFx5AJ3Cs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHSYOqOWN5XzrXDV2hdPnLosfLlGGDVw/+g7H+e4tWU47Wo1YRBvOd4VyGY9ZPkq8qs+Rt+PA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:4405:b0:51d:b184:efd with SMTP id y5-20020a056402440500b0051db1840efdmr7513317eda.20.1694793957342; Fri, 15 Sep 2023 09:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.23.12] (port-217-146-146-90.static.as20676.net. [217.146.146.90]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id bo6-20020a0564020b2600b0052284228e3bsm2464011edb.8.2023.09.15.09.05.56 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 15 Sep 2023 09:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Sender: hartmut holzgraefe Message-ID: <96e3482a-b3d1-c5b7-17c3-22151545116a@php.net> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 18:05:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.13.0 Content-Language: en-US To: internals@lists.php.net References: <20230915175450.61e0b394@platypus> In-Reply-To: <20230915175450.61e0b394@platypus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Proposal to unbundle imap/pspell/oci8 extensions for PHP 8.4 From: hartmut@php.net (Hartmut Holzgraefe) On 15.09.23 17:54, BohwaZ wrote: > I'm not against the removal, but having to rely on user-space libraries > probably means we'll lose some performance over using the C library. to quote from the message that started this thread: "Please remember, that unbundling extensions does not mean that they disappear. They will be moved to PECL with a release made." I have fond memories of ext/imap back in the days (it basically was one of the key reasons for me getting involved with PHP in the first place back then), but even without the upstream lack of maintenance situation it should probably have long moved to PECL already ... -- hartmut