Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:121031 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 53860 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2023 15:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2023 15:51:03 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D99180089 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2023 08:50:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-wm1-f46.google.com (mail-wm1-f46.google.com [209.85.128.46]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2023 08:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-f46.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-401b393ddd2so41588335e9.0 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2023 08:50:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1694361057; x=1694965857; darn=lists.php.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:references :in-reply-to:user-agent:subject:to:from:date:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=EIUvlrVV0LfKXZYQqrUF7SLCZgEN/yN79apvjkh1Ixw=; b=W94dNLCx3xvM1GG89uBSAwS2NJ6SUTY03P8nnJ2qxmneA22r8XmqE+W9jw1aLUKTUw kA/+q5cjB33knG1tz8+/VdLfrsTafX4Dy6J20XMU0z4JRjcJSpANdSBQkLwLkyMkWdaf nknAWkpkubi6nWOgZBDZVpFGss2/X6VUsLwyWEHwAczDrdQVIRTdtS+WwodVEsccRW3p niwCDUgG538LIc2HrVZld6NMTBC66qPmQSGl9AwQC1VlWT7v1IwDS3TQqFOIENMuLxNH ycUZDEMBvZS9LtfOGP2PWMqKlkPD8WRpUJKlXuASQwN5MfaNIjS2/BmT9V3oIYVZkKm9 AJrQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1694361057; x=1694965857; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:references :in-reply-to:user-agent:subject:to:from:date:x-gm-message-state:from :to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=EIUvlrVV0LfKXZYQqrUF7SLCZgEN/yN79apvjkh1Ixw=; b=oyC8elxcKqX/PQCClzODUt8kW39UR1SDmH5VPFi7BENj9xJLomjxCg+iavyJp+ZFFh cVImpo8kWV2LapdGi+WtKPjH165KN/pg0y9PTlefhK1RHXEjML4anFEnTmmskBlv4yKU yN9S+U7TmdEh8b6fhnA0p51sy7yunwL1JeOgxM5jnQ+tkXJXwW+e/xDEadhaW0Na+JcR AzVXYnTlzzUKF+D8eUJkWh8te5av1TRE5e5J3U4HNtWoHwNwN37h991iSyfZ2ZAUl2YP DXkWBjUvpbZmczya3NQ/kD70Onl+ZrOwu6YWebCEAZLUUU31fQgjAUN2nN7G9lAd+rUm z7Vg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzCxUnjPR759ISmPsgdylbBLCcTOFW3la5oVVeRGtSDcplj8H8D XF+pME5bgaEGv2u3Ebrdi2wzuCZ3TCY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEGUx3HANiY5wozlnhTOBgdI3Y21Z+j5ltdFvipsKxQoVvIeFsq914ekVGqDDgRQe0L52OnXQ== X-Received: by 2002:a7b:cb8d:0:b0:401:bdd7:49ae with SMTP id m13-20020a7bcb8d000000b00401bdd749aemr6331989wmi.18.1694361056986; Sun, 10 Sep 2023 08:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (cpc83311-brig21-2-0-cust191.3-3.cable.virginm.net. [86.20.40.192]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s14-20020a05600c044e00b003feff926fc5sm7435545wmb.17.2023.09.10.08.50.54 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Sep 2023 08:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 16:50:53 +0100 To: internals@lists.php.net User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07AD80D5-BC71-43DE-B5B1-FDAF82BD9439@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Draft] Match block From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Tommins) On 10 September 2023 15:35:44 BST, Deleu wrote: > =2E=2E=2E until we manage to gather enough >voters to overcome the "no-auto-capture" camp=2E I think that's a rather adversarial / political way to put it=2E I believe= the aim of voting should be to measure consensus, not replace it=2E A more productive wording would be "until we can find a version of the fea= ture that satisfies the concerns raised in previous discussions"=2E I think there are some really powerful things that could be done with new = types of block, and new ways of scoping variables, but have concerns about = how to fit them with the existing language=2E I will continue to engage in = good faith in discussing those proposals, but find it disheartening to be l= abelled as part of a "camp" that needs to be "overcome"=2E Regards, --=20 Rowan Tommins [IMSoP]